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    That's the crap I'm talking about. People aren't dying up here because of 2nd rate service. It's simply not true. You act like there are people here dying in hospitals from easily curable ailments. Where is this coming from?

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    And that's a question out of true curiosity. Our system obviously isn't perfect, and the idea of 2-tier health care is something that I would take a serious look at. I'm just wondering where this information comes from cause I'm inside the "socialist" web and I'm loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid View Post
    That's the crap I'm talking about. People aren't dying up here because of 2nd rate service. It's simply not true. You act like there are people here dying in hospitals from easily curable ailments. Where is this coming from?
    Here;
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...Yz_6_b-gsGGDxA

    Is he lieing??



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    He wanted the best care, so he went the the 38th ranked health care system in the world?

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    Let me share a story of a Canadian senior who has two bone on bone knee joints. This person spends as much time in the US as the individual can because of a hobby. The person is very over weight, can barely walk. The Canadian MD saw the person off and on over the last 12-18 months for the purpose of have a total knee replacement. My friend ask me to investigate having it done down here. The cost between 3 cites with in 250 miles of one another were from a high of $52,000 to a low of $33,000. My friend would pay for the surgery out of pocket (did not include rehab which would be about $250 per treatment and with luck take 4 weeks).
    The surgery will be done in Canada in April with little to no cost to my friend and by a surgeon that takes care of one of the CF pro teams.
    Any of you that need total knee replacements in the US might want to be insured or wait until you are on Medcare A & B.
    Also the average wait down here is about equal to that up north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    RK,
    If you or I needed minimally invasive valvular heart surgery, and we were lucky enough to have insurance, we would go to the nearest in-network provider your insurance company uses. If you or I wanted the best, cutting-edge surgery one of only a few centers in the world, we would have to PAY for it. Probably easily over $100k. If you happen to live near a large center, you may be lucky, in that many university centers who pioneer new technology accept most insurances, so as to not lose potential cases.

    That man was wealthy enough to afford that care. Most of us, be we American or Canadian, aren't.

    I'm not sure your link supports your point. I could just as easily link you to articles discussing how many Americans travel to India, Mexico, and Belize for elective surgery, because they can't afford it here. Now that's the ultimate caveat emptor if you ask me, but it is what it is.

    I think a two-tiered system is what's coming, like it or not. That way, the "haves" will still have their boutique care, and the "have nots" will at least have something, that is as good, if not better, than most of the world.
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    I have said before and I will say again that anecdotal evidence of bad medical care tells you little about the quality oif health care -- not because the anecdotes are false, but because the quality of medical care is defined by c=broad patters more than individual cases. Om March 18, 2006, I entered the ER of a teaching hospital in Bellevue Washington. I informed the triage nurse thsat I had probably experienced a stroke although there was a small chance that it was a detached retina. My BP was 165/110. I had suddenly gone blind in the lower half of my left eye whle photographing a wedding. I have a family history of both strokes and detached retinas. I was quickly seen by the ER physician who confirmed the blindness. He ordered a carotid artery MRI which was negative. Without either a neurological or ophthalmological consult, he decided that it was probably a detached retina and that there was no reason not to return to PA the following day and follow up with my own physician.

    I did as suggested. On returning home, I saw my faily physician immediately. 30 minutes later I was seen by an opthalmologist who took all of five minutes to conclude that my blindness was the result of a neurological event. An hour later I was admitted to the hospital for the next three days for tests and observation with treatment to prevent a second stroke which typically happens in a large percentage of cases such as mine. Unfortunately, because of the delay, there was nothing they could do to treat the blindness, although treatment in the Washington ER would almost certainly have restored complete vision within hours. Fortunately I recovered most of my vision over the next six months.

    I had a very comprehensive and expensive health plan, but the Washington hospital was out of network. Under inter-hospital rates, they were reimbursed less than $100 for my visit. Of course, I'm sure that had nothing to do with the care I received. By contrast, the PA hospital, which was in network, was paid more than $30k for my visit there.

    In the US we have a health care system that is capable of providing some of the best care in the world. However, it often fails to do so and our methods for financing care are one of the major reasons for that failure. I believe the care I received is an example of that failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    RK,
    If you or I needed minimally invasive valvular heart surgery, and we were lucky enough to have insurance, we would go to the nearest in-network provider your insurance company uses. If you or I wanted the best, cutting-edge surgery one of only a few centers in the world, we would have to PAY for it. Probably easily over $100k. If you happen to live near a large center, you may be lucky, in that many university centers who pioneer new technology accept most insurances, so as to not lose potential cases.

    That man was wealthy enough to afford that care. Most of us, be we American or Canadian, aren't.

    I'm not sure your link supports your point. I could just as easily link you to articles discussing how many Americans travel to India, Mexico, and Belize for elective surgery, because they can't afford it here. Now that's the ultimate caveat emptor if you ask me, but it is what it is.

    I think a two-tiered system is what's coming, like it or not. That way, the "haves" will still have their boutique care, and the "have nots" will at least have something, that is as good, if not better, than most of the world.
    Great......the point here was Canada vs. USA.
    The guy came to the USA, not India, Mexico or Belize, he came to the USA for care he could NOT get in Canada.

    Show me a link where a USA citizen went to Canada to get healthcare they could not get here!!


    I'm waiting...........



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    Show me a link where a USA citizen went to Canada to get healthcare they could not get here!!
    Might be interesting to see the stats on how many Canadians come to the US, and for what procedures ... and why they choose to use US facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Great......the point here was Canada vs. USA.
    The guy came to the USA, not India, Mexico or Belize, he came to the USA for care he could NOT get in Canada.

    Show me a link where a USA citizen went to Canada to get healthcare they could not get here!!


    I'm waiting...........



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    I'd also like to see the photo of Americans crammed into little boats or running through a desert at night, trying to get to Cuba or Mexico or some other 3rd world country for their "free" healthcare...
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