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    Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.

    It is true that in a population with 1/10th the size of the US, we are often lacking in certain specialties. This is especially true of the previous story where NFLD isn't exactly an attractive spot of highly skilled medical workers, let alone anyone doing any sort of job. The wonderful thing is that if I need that care that can't be provided here...my government will still pay for. You'll note in the previous story that the politician was going to get what refunds he could from the government for paying for his care in the US.

    I kind of like it personally...we have our 2 tier system...you guys are just the 2nd tier for the overly rich in a huge hurry for a procedure that is no rush. And that isn't some sort of insult...that's the truth...I like it.

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    I'm genuinely curious...What kind of amounts to you guys pay in taxes?

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    In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada's taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash. At the end of the day, the average after-tax income of Canadian workers is equal to about 82 percent of their gross pay. In the U.S., that average is 81.9 percent.

    I'm stealing a chunk of this from http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427.

    Things like our post secondary education aren't even comparable in how must it costs. When you get down to things like trades workers, then get payed to get trained in their fields. That may work the same in the US...idk to be honest. Tax credits aren't anything to sneeze at either. My mother is a nurse in a small town and with taxes coming up shortly, she'll get back about 10% of her total yearly salary...in one lump sum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid View Post
    In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada's taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash. At the end of the day, the average after-tax income of Canadian workers is equal to about 82 percent of their gross pay. In the U.S., that average is 81.9 percent.

    I'm stealing a chunk of this from http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427.

    Things like our post secondary education aren't even comparable in how must it costs. When you get down to things like trades workers, then get payed to get trained in their fields. That may work the same in the US...idk to be honest. Tax credits aren't anything to sneeze at either. My mother is a nurse in a small town and with taxes coming up shortly, she'll get back about 10% of her total yearly salary...in one lump sum.
    Man, I'm moving to Canada. Where else can you keep 82% of your earnings, stand in line for treatment, enjoy a lower survival rate for many conditions, have no major military obligations and don't forget there's always hockey and curling.
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    No military obligations, no, but if you do decide to join you get paid quite well and have amazing benefits including a handsome pension. Bad thing is you get stuck with outdated equipment, but unless you're a combat engineer detonating IEDs you probably not going to die/get injured anyways. If you ever really want to make fun of our military I'll give you some good ammo. Look into our navy. Specifically our "submarine fleet".

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    PS - Canada has a higher life expectancy

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    Most of the studies I have seen suggest that heath status is generally better in Canada than in the US but that health care is generally comparable between the two countries. In Canada, issues of health service access exist because of resource shortages -- some attributable to cost containment by the government and some reflecting geography (services are generally less accessible in low density, rural areas than in more urban areas). In the US, issues of health service access exist primarily because of inability to pay. Ultimately, the biggest difference may be in cost: Canadians spend about 10% of GDP on health care while Americans spend over 16%. A summary of some 38 comparative studies may be seen at http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1.

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    Total Tax Receipts as % of GDP (2005)


    33.4% Can


    27.3% US


    Canada collects 6.1% more taxes as expressed in % of GDP.
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    How does Canada compare as far as unemployment (by choice) and govt dependency? I think those are two of the major hangups that a lot of Americans have about the proposed health care reform. Basically, are there as many people (by %, obviously) that are now and will receive something for nothing at the expense of the taxpayers?

    I don't think that there are many people that are actually opposed to reforming health care. I think the majority of people are opposed to reforming it as it has been proposed.

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    You see there is the point. you don;t work you still get everything. Make more pay more for bums who either do not want to work, can't work, or are too stupid to get a good job
    Canada has 1/10 the population and WANTS to be socialist........
    Good for them. I don't and we were not founded as a socialist nation. Canada taxes middle and upper class higher. I DO NOT want to pay for anyone else. I got mine you get yours......
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