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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Gee, maybe with some reasonable reform we can have it both ways, albiet with a little compromise from both sides??
    That would make far too much sense.

    I almost vomited when I saw this today:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100228...20100228165706

    Why the HELL is there such a rush? Wouldn't it make more sense to get it right than to just get anything passed?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Lists? I didn't make a list. I only looking for one that doesn't exist.

    As far as Medicare benefits are concerned, folks are just trying to get back a portion of what they paid in on their own behalf. Different deal.
    In fact, the biggest issue with Medicare now is that the benefits paid out far exceed the value of taxes paid in reagrdless of the income level of the beneficiary (see, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicar...ker_categories)

    Obviously, any true opponent of socialized medicine would be first in lone to refuse Medicare. As Reagan said, if you don't stop Medicare, "one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free." Reagan was one of those who helped defeat Medicare at the beginning of the 60's only to see it adopted in 1965. Of course, after seeing how popular Medicare had become, Reagan disavowed his early opposition to it during his 1984 campaign and acted as if he had supported it all along. I guess socialism tastes better when it is popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    I would assume that anyone concerned about the growing deficit would object to continuing tax cuts that will do nothing except make the deficit even bigger. Alternatively, of course, I am sure there must be a ground swell among Republicans to insist on spending cuts that are at least as great as the long term cost of extending the cuts..
    Excuse me, maybe I am wrong on this.

    It's not tax cuts that cause overspending.........it's over spending that causes over spending!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Not even close! An 80 year old getting Folfox with Avastin chemo will spend more in one month than they, and 10 of their friends paid in over their entire lives! (or some equally ridiculous amount)
    and what about the scores of people who were forced to pay into Medicare for 40 years but did not live long enough to reap the benefits

    just because someone views an entitlement as bad policy does not
    mean they should be deprived of it's benefits

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post

    just because someone views an entitlement as bad policy does not
    mean they should be deprived of it's benefits

    i think that is the EXACT point dnf was trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    and what about the scores of people who were forced to pay into Medicare for 40 years but did not live long enough to reap the benefits

    just because someone views an entitlement as bad policy does not
    mean they should be deprived of it's benefits
    I'm not saying they should be. I'm just employing the logic used on this forum by most. And those people who didn't reap the benefits, helped pay for those who far outstripped what they put it. Its risk sharing, and the basis of the entire insurance industry. But you know that.

    And many do more than "view as bad policy". They want to cut entitlements, except those which they benefit from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I'm not saying they should be. I'm just employing the logic used on this forum by most. And those people who didn't reap the benefits, helped pay for those who far outstripped what they put it. Its risk sharing, and the basis of the entire insurance industry. But you know that.

    And many do more than "view as bad policy". They want to cut entitlements, except those which they benefit from.
    You can not repair bankrupted entitlements and over spending by creating new entitlements and more spending!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Not even close! An 80 year old getting Folfox with Avastin chemo will spend more in one month than they, and 10 of their friends paid in over their entire lives! (or some equally ridiculous amount)

    And we all reap benefits of paying taxes, ie firemen, police, roads, schools, etc... What bothers me about taxes, is when it goes to Halliburton in astronomical amounts for substandard service, and to put million dollar 'gratuities' in the hands of politicians with relevant legislation before them. Duke Cunningham, and a fair share of democrats also, to be sure, as examples.
    That breeze you felt in your face was from my point going over your head. Forced retirement protection. Funds paid in to SS by individuals and their employers are for that only and hopefully should be protected by the law of large numbers. Contributions are the same for all but of course the returns are not. Income tax on the other hand can go to crap as you pointed out.
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