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    BUMFACE raised the taxes on tobbaco products!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Does that mean you know the answers and know that none of them supports your beliefs, or just that facts are irrelevant no matter what?
    Looking at Franco's post, would it be fair to say that this applies to him because he has a crystal ball?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    BUMFACE raised the taxes on tobbaco products!!!!!!!!!!
    I guess I didn't notice. Last time I bought tobacco products was 1986.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Looking at Franco's post, would it be fair to say that this applies to him because he has a crystal ball?
    Tell me how an administration can spend printed and borrowed money without having to deal with the devil later?

    And, how would you lable a President that wants people that can afford Health Insurance to pay for those that can't?

    I think one would have to be blind not to see the financial chaos that will result from Obama's policies. However, when we face financial armageddon, unlike those drinking the Obama kool-aide, I'll be prepared!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Is there any question that Obama is moving us towards European style Socialism?
    Beyond sounding like a curse, I'm not even sure I know what this means. I think he wants to establish universal health insurance. No secret has been made of that fact. I think he believes in having a social safety net as has every Democrat beginning with FDR. I don't equate any of that with socialism or anti-Americanism.

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    Is there any question that Obama will heavily tax productive Americans in the near future to pay for all his entitlements?
    Actually, I suspect he will tax them about the same amount that Reagan did, or dramatically less than in almost any developed country in the world. The primary tax will not be one passed by Obama. It will be the one passed by Bush and the Republicans in Congress in 2001 and 2003. Those cuts called for tax increases beginning next year. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for that failure? The Republicans passed those tax increases because they could not justify losing more revenues to make the tax cuts passed seven years ago permanent. Instead, they made the cuts greater each year and then eliminated them. The chicken has now come home to roost and it is carrying the flag of the GOP. Anyone who would extend those tax cuts without first solving the rest of our deficit is fiscally insane.

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    Is there any question that Obama's out-of-control when it comes to spending? That his only solution for problems is to spend more borrowed and freshly printed money?
    Unfortunately, I think Obama has continued down the same profligate path as his predecessor. When it comes to deficit management, he looks too much like a Republican for my taste, running up deficits in a manner that would have made Reagan and Bush proud. Unfortunately, part of the solution to the deficit will probably demand a 25-35% reduction in military spending along with comparable cuts in all other discretionary spending. I suspect that the best case for entitlement spending, which is almost entirely a function of Medicare and Social Security, is to balance future benefits and revenues. That requires actions equivalent to either a 10% reduction in benefits over time or a 10% increase in revenues. It makes no difference in the present since these programs now generate a surplus.

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    Is there any question that Obama is mishandling terrorist by giving them the same rights as US citizens? And, that his closing of Guantanimo is a disaster?
    Actually, I think the rights you are talking about are the rights that we all have to be considered innocent absent a proof of guilt. That is the right of all people, citizens or not, who are subject to our justice system. In the absence of such protections, the only difference between a terrorist and a civilian is the word of an accuser who may have his own agenda.

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    Is there any question that Obama wants to destroy the finest medical system in the world so that he can socialize medicine?
    Do you actually believe he woke up one morning and said "What can I do to destroy the best medical system in the world?" If you are going to call ours the best system in the world, you might want to start off by defining your terms of reference.

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    And, if you think the worst is over economically, then you haven't seen nothing yet!

    I just finished reading Robert Wiedener's new book, Aftershock. It is about the financial crisis that the Obama Administration is growing. If we don't start cutting spending NOW and get our debt in order, our heritage will be a thing of the past!
    I suspect that you are right. I also believe that there will be no solution that does not involve higher taxes because I do not know any responsible group that has any strategy for closing the deficit based solely on spending cuts that our electorate is willing to tolerate. The reality is that Reagan and Bush slashed taxes while increasing spending to keep "the base" happy. So far, Obama has done nothing to make the situation better. However, the tea party crowd is asking for more of the same: lower taxes, more spending for all that they like (which includes Medicare and social security), and less for the mythical unwashed hordes that must be eating our lunch. Unfortunately, when you go to the budget you find that the hordes eating our lunch are the same people complaining about the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Instead of spin doctor I give you spin Yardley
    Give us what you want, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) answer Yardley's questions. Why not? Yet ANOTHER example of diversion and avoidance of answering reasonable questions and debate.

    Go ahead, call me some names or attach more labels, I'm fully prepared and anticipating the typical response, as you demonstrated above! This pattern is getting old...
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    Beyond sounding like a curse, I'm not even sure I know what this means. I think he wants to establish universal health insurance. No secret has been made of that fact. I think he believes in having a social safety net as has every Democrat beginning with FDR. I don't equate any of that with socialism or anti-Americanism.

    What Obama is proposing is that for those that can’t afford to pay for Health Ins. , will get it for free! You don’t equate that with being a Socialist?


    Actually, I suspect he will tax them about the same amount that Reagan did, or dramatically less than in almost any developed country in the world. The primary tax will not be one passed by Obama. It will be the one passed by Bush and the Republicans in Congress in 2001 and 2003. Those cuts called for tax increases beginning next year. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for that failure? The Republicans passed those tax increases because they could not justify losing more revenues to make the tax cuts passed seven years ago permanent. Instead, they made the cuts greater each year and then eliminated them. The chicken has now come home to roost and it is carrying the flag of the GOP. Anyone who would extend those tax cuts without first solving the rest of our deficit is fiscally insane.

    Tax them the same? We are talking about facing 16 Trillion in debt! We either reign in spending, cut taxes for businesses and leave Gov run Healthcare, Cap and Tax and all the other foolish ideas in the dumpster!


    Unfortunately, I think Obama has continued down the same profligate path as his predecessor. When it comes to deficit management, he looks too much like a Republican for my taste, running up deficits in a manner that would have made Reagan and Bush proud. Unfortunately, part of the solution to the deficit will probably demand a 25-35% reduction in military spending along with comparable cuts in all other discretionary spending. I suspect that the best case for entitlement spending, which is almost entirely a function of Medicare and Social Security, is to balance future benefits and revenues. That requires actions equivalent to either a 10% reduction in benefits over time or a 10% increase in revenues. It makes no difference in the present since these programs now generate a surplus.

    We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, that’s not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know that’s not what the voters want to hear but, it’s the truth. Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks! Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! That’s the problem, they’ve lost touch with reality.


    Actually, I think the rights you are talking about are the rights that we all have to be considered innocent absent a proof of guilt. That is the right of all people, citizens or not, who are subject to our justice system. In the absence of such protections, the only difference between a terrorist and a civilian is the word of an accuser who may have his own agenda.

    Terrorist should be handled by Military Tribunals. What are YOU going to say when Eric Holder’s circus fails to get convictions in Criminal Court?


    Do you actually believe he woke up one morning and said "What can I do to destroy the best medical system in the world?" If you are going to call ours the best system in the world, you might want to start off by defining your terms of reference.

    He sure wants to pass his multi-TRILLION dollar Healthcare reform! Pelosi saying it will create jobs. Yea, government jobs! She and Reid, and the rest of the White House gang make the American people look foolish.



    I suspect that you are right. I also believe that there will be no solution that does not involve higher taxes because I do not know any responsible group that has any strategy for closing the deficit based solely on spending cuts that our electorate is willing to tolerate. The reality is that Reagan and Bush slashed taxes while increasing spending to keep "the base" happy. So far, Obama has done nothing to make the situation better. However, the tea party crowd is asking for more of the same: lower taxes, more spending for all that they like (which includes Medicare and social security), and less for the mythical unwashed hordes that must be eating our lunch. Unfortunately, when you go to the budget you find that the hordes eating our lunch are the same people complaining about the bill.

    We need to clean up DC! Whoever serves has to know they are accountable. We’ve trusted these Bozos long enough and it is the voters fault. Let us learn from our mistakes and keep the Feds on a short leach!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I guess I didn't notice. Last time I bought tobacco products was 1986.
    Well the DUMMS think the people are stupid.
    They increased the tobacco tax claiming that it would pay for their massive expansion of that KID insurance junk. Nothing more than socialism and redistribution of wealth. The increase in tobacco taxes will fall well short of this. Hundreds of thousands of people would need to START smoking in order to pay for that latest form of welfare.
    It flew under the radar because it was a tobacco tax.
    Everyone will pay in the end or our deficit will get a massive increase.
    The tobacco increase does NOT pay for this welfare program!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
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    What Obama is proposing is that for those that canít afford to pay for Health Ins. , will get it for free! You donít equate that with being a Socialist?

    No. I consider all health insurance to be socialistic, especially when less than 10% of the cost of health insurance is paid by the beneficiaries. Why should only the poor, the elderly and the higher paid employees receive socialized medicine. Why can't the working poor get it also?

    Tax them the same? We are talking about facing 16 Trillion in debt! We either reign in spending, cut taxes for businesses and leave Gov run Healthcare, Cap and Tax and all the other foolish ideas in the dumpster!

    The fundamental gap in entitlements stems directly from health care. Social Security and Medicare currently generate a $200 billion/year "profit". They need to generate a bigger profit to meet their full costs over the next 75 years. The gap is about 10% per year. There is a multi-trillion dollar gap beyond that between what the beneficiaries paid into the system and the cash available because of the IOU's that were written to finance the deficits created by the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. That is part of the $12 trillion public debt and it will need to be repaid.

    We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, thatís not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know thatís not what the voters want to hear but, itís the truth. Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks! Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! Thatís the problem, theyíve lost touch with reality.
    Actually Reagan was almost as bad as Bush43 when it came to cutting revenues while increasing spending. As I noted, however, there is no way to close the gap through spending reductions alone. I don't care what your ideology is, more taxes will have to be part of the solution.

    Terrorist should be handled by Military Tribunals. What are YOU going to say when Eric Holderís circus fails to get convictions in Criminal Court?

    So far, the conviction rate is better in civilian courts than in military ones. The miliitary ones have failed so far. We can try again if the civilian ones fail also.

    He sure wants to pass his multi-TRILLION dollar Healthcare reform! Pelosi saying it will create jobs. Yea, government jobs! She and Reid, and the rest of the White House gang make the American people look foolish.

    Do you just make numbers up? The CBO estimates are about $100 billion per year which is financed through a mix of increased taxes and spending cuts. I suspect that both the costs and the savings are understated only because they do not consider changes in medical technology.

    We need to clean up DC! Whoever serves has to know they are accountable. Weíve trusted these Bozos long enough and it is the voters fault. Let us learn from our mistakes and keep the Feds on a short leach!

    That's fine unless the bozos going in are as factually challenged as the propaganda being used to stimulate action.
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    All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!

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