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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!
    I'm assuming this wasn't intended as a rational argument.

    1. I don't think Obama meets any test of socialism. He seems a lot more comfortable with money and the people that have it.

    2. Presumably all of our bills must be paid by those that pay taxes.

    3. Assuming that hell exists, I am sure that he could go there as could you, me, or any of the rest of us.

    4. How exactly is he committing treason? Presumably if you want him to be charged and convicted you must have some charges and evidence in mind. Unless, of course, we really are in Cuba now, and a right wing one at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!
    Kinda reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbB4...eature=related Looks like your journey is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Does that mean you know the answers and know that none of them supports your beliefs, or just that facts are irrelevant no matter what?
    Nope. It means that whatever anyone says, you have to spin it with volumes of bullshit. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!
    I wish your new pup a happy and loving home. Try to lighten up a little.
    Young pups pick up so much on their environment, and your's sounds so angry.
    The tide will swing, as it always does.

    Will things change?

    I'll look for your answer in 2013.

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    My replies in red since I don't know how to do multiple quotes.


    No. I consider all health insurance to be socialistic, especially when less than 10% of the cost of health insurance is paid by the beneficiaries. Why should only the poor, the elderly and the higher paid employees receive socialized medicine. Why can't the working poor get it also?

    I don’t know where you get 10% from. I’ve paid in a hell of a lot more than 10% of what I have used in Health Insurance. Working poor? That’s why we have Charity type hospitals and Medicare. Everyone in this country can get medical attention including illegal aliens. Life is not fair and if we try and make it so, we all loose!

    The fundamental gap in entitlements stems directly from health care. Social Security and Medicare currently generate a $200 billion/year "profit". They need to generate a bigger profit to meet their full costs over the next 75 years. The gap is about 10% per year. There is a multi-trillion dollar gap beyond that between what the beneficiaries paid into the system and the cash available because of the IOU's that were written to finance the deficits created by the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. That is part of the $12 trillion public debt and it will need to be repaid.

    Congress just raised the debt ceiling to 14 trillion. By many estimates, Healthcare reform will cost another trillion. Someone in a leadership role should have stood up and block the raising of the debt limit.

    Actually Reagan was almost as bad as Bush43 when it came to cutting revenues while increasing spending. As I noted, however, there is no way to close the gap through spending reductions alone. I don't care what your ideology is, more taxes will have to be part of the solution.

    No doubt Obama will raise taxes on the working class, he has too.
    And, being the good Democrat that he is, he'll continue with massive entitlement spending.


    So far, the conviction rate is better in civilian courts than in military ones. The miliitary ones have failed so far. We can try again if the civilian ones fail also.


    Another waste of several billion dollars and if anyone can bungle this trial, it’s Holder. All the while we give these thugs a world stage in telling the world how bad we are.

    Do you just make numbers up? The CBO estimates are about $100 billion per year which is financed through a mix of increased taxes and spending cuts. I suspect that both the costs and the savings are understated only because they do not consider changes in medical

    I don’t believe any dollar estimates that come out of the Capitol! Experience tells us to multiple it by 20x.
    That's fine unless the bozos going in are as factually challenged as the propaganda being used to stimulate action.

    I doubt they could be any worst. We need serious reform from strict term limits to limiting their VIP benefits so we won’t continue to attract the same loafers we’ve been attracting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Give us what you want, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) answer Yardley's questions. Why not? Yet ANOTHER example of diversion and avoidance of answering reasonable questions and debate.

    Go ahead, call me some names or attach more labels, I'm fully prepared and anticipating the typical response, as you demonstrated above! This pattern is getting old...
    DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. Perhaps you just become bored with a thread. Oh, I don't recall calling you any names other than Did Not Finish a few months back and I thought we hashed that out. Don't get so touchy. I'm just helping you kill some time between bed pans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. Perhaps you just become bored with a thread. Oh, I don't recall calling you any names other than Did Not Finish a few months back and I thought we hashed that out. Don't get so touchy. I'm just helping you kill some time between bed pans.
    At certain point arguments where facts are presented on one side (hint: not yours), and the other side returns with comments like "volumes of bullshit" without a single thread of fact or logic to support the insults, become tiring. Unfortunately, this style of debate has become a Congressional standard and the universal standard of most of the Republican leadership. In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate. There can be no honest discourse or reason when facts are considered to be irrelevant except if they can be used as weapons to support a predetermined position. There can be no fair and civil discussion if the definition of "fair" is that anything done to support your own position is justified, while anything done by your opponent is a travesty, even if it is the same thing you just did yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate.
    I ridiculed the notion of getting one's news from Jon Stewart (or thinking that you're getting the news from Jon Stewart). Now I'll ridicule the notion of Jon Stewart being a "journalist." He's a satirist, comic and talk show host. If he's a journalist (with or without the quotes) then so is Letterman, Leno, Limbaugh, Twain and Arsenio Hall.
    I'll take the river down to still water and ride a pack of dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    I ridiculed the notion of getting one's news from Jon Stewart (or thinking that you're getting the news from Jon Stewart). Now I'll ridicule the notion of Jon Stewart being a "journalist." He's a satirist, comic and talk show host. If he's a journalist (with or without the quotes) then so is Letterman, Leno, Limbaugh, Twain and Arsenio Hall.
    That was why I put the word in quotes. At least on Comedy Central they don't pretend to be what they are not. Would the Fox News or MSNBC, or increasingly CNN, could say the same. In fact, various surveys have shown The Daily Show to be the primary news sources for younger adults. Is that bad? The evidence suggests that it is not. An Indiana University study showed that The Daily Show contained as much news substance as any of the major network news broadcasts, and a Pew Research poll ranked Jon Stewart as one of the most admired news anchors in the country, tied with Brokaw, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, and Anderson Cooper. (See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/ar...on/17kaku.html and http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/4159.html)

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    At certain point arguments where facts are presented on one side (hint: not yours), and the other side returns with comments like "volumes of bullshit" without a single thread of fact or logic to support the insults, become tiring. Unfortunately, this style of debate has become a Congressional standard and the universal standard of most of the Republican leadership. In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate. There can be no honest discourse or reason when facts are considered to be irrelevant except if they can be used as weapons to support a predetermined position. There can be no fair and civil discussion if the definition of "fair" is that anything done to support your own position is justified, while anything done by your opponent is a travesty, even if it is the same thing you just did yourself.
    I was not pointing to any particular post but rather the volume of work.
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