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    Default Harry Reid's Poison Pill

    They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
    until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...

    The impudent tyranny of Sen. Harry Reid Senate Majority Leader Harry
    Reid of Nevada is proving once again the maxim that darkness hates the
    light.

    Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
    Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
    Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
    legislation!

    Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
    it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives
    to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that
    would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

    In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
    no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of
    Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their
    representatives in Congress wish otherwise!!

    Note that the subsection at issue here concerns the regulatory power
    of the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB) to "reduce the per
    capita rate of growth in Medicare spending."

    That is precisely the kind of open-ended grant of regulatory power
    that effectively establishes the IMAB as the ultimate arbiter of the
    cost, quality and quantity of health care to be made available to the
    American people. And Reid wants the decisions of this group of
    unelected federal bureaucrats to be untouchable for all time.

    No wonder the majority leader tossed aside assurances that senators
    and the public would have at least 72 hours to study the text of the
    final Senate version of Obamacare before the critical vote on cloture.
    And no wonder Reid was so desperate to rush his amendment through the
    Senate, even scheduling the key tally on it at 1 a.m., while America slept.

    True to form, Reid wanted to keep his Section 3403 poison pill secret
    for as long as possible, just as he negotiated his bribes for the
    votes of Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska
    and Bernie Sanders of Vermont behind closed doors.

    The final Orwellian touch in this subversion of democratic procedure
    is found in the ruling of the Reid-controlled Senate Parliamentarian
    that the anti-repeal provision is not a change in Senate rules, but
    rather of Senate "procedures." Why is that significant?

    Because for 200 years, changes in the Senate's standing rules have
    required approval by two-thirds of those voting, or 67 votes rather
    than the 60 Reid's amendment received.
    Reid has flouted two centuries of standing Senate rules to pass a
    measure in the dead of night that no senator has read, and part of
    which can never be changed. If this is not tyranny, then what is?
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Nice cut and paste from a December opinion piece http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-79935422.html

    and from FactCheck.org
    (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/med...-unrepealable/)

    Q: Does the Senateís health bill contain a provision that canít be repealed?

    A: No. It would create an Independent Medicare Advisory Board that could be repealed by a vote of three-fifths of the Senate.
    Are you this far behind reading right wing blogs?

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    Actually, the specific language used is typical of bills/laws that seek to control costs. Examples include social security, the "Pay-Go" law, etc. The section you reference established a committee to recommend ways of containing growth in health care costs and states that such recommendations should be accepted, be replaced with other savings to restrict cost comparably, or be rejected by a 60 vote majority. The idea is that Congress should not overturn administrative decisions that help control costs without coming up with comparable savings. The entire section may be repealed with 60 votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post

    Are you this far behind reading right wing blogs?
    It was just emailed to me this morning. Afterall, we all know how desperate Harry Reid is.

    Good to know that they can't do it!
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Nothing but a desperate return to messages that were lies the first time around.
    Maybe a "death panel" email will show up next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    messages that were lies the first time around.
    How's that Global Warming thing going these days ?
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    Depends on your point of view. The fact remains that the earth's climate is warming, but then, posting numbers and facts and all really doesn't matter to you and many others.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    You can post all the numbers you want, I don't see the improvement you talk about.
    Since your interested, here is a good article. http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/1...te+Progress%29
    I apologize for all the numbers. I keep waiting for more "daily" debunking of the theory but have not seen anything for weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    Depends on your point of view. The fact remains that the earth's climate is warming, but then, posting numbers and facts and all really doesn't matter to you and many others.
    Disingenious - but as long as you quoted something from another discussion, perhaps you would like to explain the relevance of the Dow, Nasdaq & S & P to whether Joe Six Pack has an income or not. If you can that would be more than your leftist heroes can do .
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    Marvin,
    The quote from you that I used was in direct response to a bunch of numbers and facts presented by someone else on another topic. Does it really matter what topic? I doubt it. As you said, you believe what you see despite the numbers. Based on previous discussions on climate change, I expect you have the same attitude toward this topic, so why should I waste my time, particularly when you are the one that hijacked this thread off topic.
    Have a great weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    Disingenious - but as long as you quoted something from another discussion, perhaps you would like to explain the relevance of the Dow, Nasdaq & S & P to whether Joe Six Pack has an income or not. If you can that would be more than your leftist heroes can do .
    You also noticed that point got totally blown off? Interesting, isn't it?

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