Dear Democratic Party Members?

[J Hoggatt]

IF you are a member of the Democratic Party --

Please tell me how proud you are of your party in the way it is abusing/using the legislative reconciliation to pass a health care bill that 55% of the American people are opposed to???????

Also--
Deemed Passed --Don't have the courage to vote?????

REGARDLESS of the Bill--- just what do you think of these tactics?

[dnf777]

IF you are a member of the Democratic Party --

Please tell me how proud you are of your party in the way it is abusing/using the legislative reconciliation to pass a health care bill that 55% of the American people are opposed to???????

Also--
Deemed Passed --Don't have the courage to vote?????

REGARDLESS of the Bill--- just what do you think of these tactics?

I'm not a registered democrat, but I'll ask in return, how did YOU feel when Bush and the republican congress used the same tactics for the past 8 years? And I don't want to play "dueling sources", but I've seen support numbers in the upper 60s to low 70s for this bill.

[dback]

IF you are a member of the Democratic Party --

Please tell me how proud you are of your party in the way it is abusing/using the legislative reconciliation to pass a health care bill that 55% of the American people are opposed to???????

Also--
Deemed Passed --Don't have the courage to vote?????

REGARDLESS of the Bill--- just what do you think of these tactics?

Bush started it .... na..nee..na..nee..na..na!!!

(Thought I'd get that out of the way now)

[dback]

Gawd.....I couldn't reply fast enough to beat 'Cliffy'

[dnf777]

More shirking responsibility. Just as I expected. I don't blame you though. I want forget those years just as badly as you do! Unfortunately, we have to fix them, before we can forget them.

And let's see, if Obama really screws things up, how long does he have to accept responsibility? Until the day he leaves office, then none of it's his fault? Yeah, right!

Word for the day: Hypocrisy!

[YardleyLabs]

Actually the same approach has been used for decades. It's about time the Democrats attempt to pass the bill on an up or down vote. If it loses, move on. If it wins I think we will be better off. I see the approach being used as a straightforward way of passing the bill while making sure that the amendments that make it more palatable must be adopted by the Senate for the whole thing to become law.The rules of the Senate and House are arcane and include many layers. Those rules are the sole purview of each house and are not subject to judicial review based on the Constitution and related court decisions. Ultimately it comes down to a majority vote. The rules allow a minority to delay action, but not stop it completely if the majority is determined. In a representative democracy, that seems appropriate.

[J Hoggatt]

Actually the same approach has been used for decades. It's about time the Democrats attempt to pass the bill on an up or down vote. If it loses, move on. If it wins I think we will be better off. I see the approach being used as a straightforward way of passing the bill while making sure that the amendments that make it more palatable must be adopted by the Senate for the whole thing to become law.The rules of the Senate and House are arcane and include many layers. Those rules are the sole purview of each house and are not subject to judicial review based on the Constitution and related court decisions. Ultimately it comes down to a majority vote. The rules allow a minority to delay action, but not stop it completely if the majority is determined. In a representative democracy, that seems appropriate.

"When the righteous are surrounded the unrighteous, Justice become perverted" -- look it up.

OMG- We are talking about 1/6 of the Nations Economy - and you "justify" this by you comments above.......... OK.... the "process" has only been used for minor items NOT HUGE shift in our Social and Economic future........ I really hope you are right, because if you are wrong --- what price do we pay........ our future- that's it.......

BUSH - Bashing comments-- (simple minds are easily amused- LOL) please - that argument was OLD a year ago........

Can't wait until NOV. -
Did you Dem's forget about Kennedy's Senate Seat Election already.......

I am for some Health Care Reform -- but not this bill -- that is the polls that are 60/70 % polls--- please -(get better arguments).

PLUS the constitution doesn't guarantee "happiness" on the pursuit of it.... We have to WORK to pursue it...... no guarantees...... if you ever thought we had a Welfare State before -- Wait about 4 more years.... FREE MONEY - Obama MONEY - "it's free"........

[dback]

More shirking responsibility. Just as I expected. I don't blame you though. I want forget those years just as badly as you do! Unfortunately, we have to fix them, before we can forget them.

And let's see, if Obama really screws things up, how long does he have to accept responsibility? Until the day he leaves office, then none of it's his fault? Yeah, right!

Word for the day: Hypocrisy!

I would like you to point out a single individual on this board that was happy with everything Bush and any of the given Congresses he had did. Anyone!!!! You and a couple of others here can't seem to grasp that concept. I don't want to forget any of it....the parts that were done wrong especially. Your current 'sweetheart' ran on a platform of 'no backroom deals', 'no buying votes', 'open discussion', 'no "questionable" procedures', 'no "funny" math' etc., etc.........."CHANGE"....remember that???? No business as usual in DC...... You're right, HYPOCRISY is the word of the day. Your defense of the Dems ... in any form leaves it stamped on your forehead.

[YardleyLabs]

"When the righteous are surrounded the unrighteous, Justice become perverted" -- look it up.

OMG- We are talking about 1/6 of the Nations Economy - and you "justify" this by you comments above.......... OK.... the "process" has only been used for minor items NOT HUGE shift in our Social and Economic future........ I really hope you are right, because if you are wrong --- what price do we pay........ our future- that's it.......

BUSH - Bashing comments-- (simple minds are easily amused- LOL) please - that argument was OLD a year ago........

Can't wait until NOV. -
Did you Dem's forget about Kennedy's Senate Seat Election already.......

I am for some Health Care Reform -- but not this bill -- that is the polls that are 60/70 % polls--- please -(get better arguments).

PLUS the constitution doesn't guarantee "happiness" on the pursuit of it.... We have to WORK to pursue it...... no guarantees...... if you ever thought we had a Welfare State before -- Wait about 4 more years.... FREE MONEY - Obama MONEY - "it's free"........

Of course it's been used for huge items. The Bush tax cuts were passed through reconciliation, creating a $2 trillion deficit. The Medicare Prescription program was passed through reconciliation with $600 billion - $1 trillion in unfunded costs. Welfare reform was passed through reconciliation. And no matter how you cut it, very little of the health care segment of the economy is affected significantly by passage. It makes a neat slogan but has few roots in reality.

[Buzz]

It is amusing to see how angry you all get when the shoe gets put on the other foot.