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    Please don't engage in such childish tactics. I could list many instances where comments go unanswered by righties, but rather choose to believe folks have better things to do on a spring weekend, than spend hours seaching thread histories! Haven't you figured out yet that there is little gained, and much time wasted in playing "dueling sources" as I pointed out earlier? Whenever a right-wing-falsehood is discredited (Jeff being the reigning champion of this!) or non-right-wing points aptly supported, they go either unanswered or the sources unjustifiably attacked. Very useless chatter, IMO.

    As for your comment of "black president", I assume we all know about Nixon's resignation, so I failed to see the necessity of noting Obama's race in your comments. I merely asked why you felt it necessary, and you gave your answer. I didn't accuse you of racism, just asked a question. YOU felt the need to levy accusations, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    And again...
    Actually, the Kaiser polls are conducted on a national basis and are among the most respected on this issue because they are the only ones that dig into specific feelings about specific policies. That helps then get beyond immediate emotional reaction to sound bytes from different sides. If you study polls completed over the last few years on national health insurance issues, it becomes apparent that the hundreds of millions that have been spent on advertising have served to confuse and aggravate people thoroughly. It will be interesting to see how people feel about coverage a few years following enactment. I suspect that the pattern will be similar to what it was with Medicare. Medicare was highly controversial when implemented. It has become consistently more popular over time and is actually one of the most popular governmental programs in existence. Few things made this clearer than the posters held by tea party and other anti health reform protesters that intermixed signs saying "stop socialism" with ones saying "don't touch my Medicare".

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    all of you that LOVE Medicare definately DON"T have it. IT SUCKS...more claims are denied by Medicare by an almost 3 to one margin. I found out the hard way personally when I just had a cancer removed at basically MY expence. Also the government is still giving the CROOKS at AIG money. They bilked my wife's retirement almost completely. $3400 is a very small part of almost 460000 she had in there. You folks that agree with the Libs aren't having to live the nightmare some of us older people are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Actually, the Kaiser polls are conducted on a national basis and are among the most respected on this issue because they are the only ones that dig into specific feelings about specific policies. That helps then get beyond immediate emotional reaction to sound bytes from different sides. If you study polls completed over the last few years on national health insurance issues, it becomes apparent that the hundreds of millions that have been spent on advertising have served to confuse and aggravate people thoroughly. It will be interesting to see how people feel about coverage a few years following enactment. I suspect that the pattern will be similar to what it was with Medicare. Medicare was highly controversial when implemented. It has become consistently more popular over time and is actually one of the most popular governmental programs in existence. Few things made this clearer than the posters held by tea party and other anti health reform protesters that intermixed signs saying "stop socialism" with ones saying "don't touch my Medicare".
    If Kaiser is so respected, why then is it rarely quoted? If their numbers reflect the true feeling of Americans-46% for and 42% opposed (probably within the margin of error) with 56% wanting Congress to eithor start over or go on to other things-that the country would be better served to rethink this mess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    If Kaiser is so respected, why then is it rarely quoted? If their numbers reflect the true feeling of Americans-46% for and 42% opposed (probably within the margin of error) with 56% wanting Congress to eithor start over or go on to other things-that the country would be better served to rethink this mess?

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    All polls depend on the questions you ask and how you ask them. When you ask someone how they feel about a particular "bill", what you hear depends more on what they have heard about the "bill" than about the actual contents of the bill. In the health care debate, there has been little to no correlation between the contents of proposals under consideration and the talking points used to attack them. When questions are posed about individual bill components, support immediately climbs to more than 60% for most core components. Support plummets when asked about an individual coverage mandate or about concerns on total cost. With respect to opinions on plan components, Kaiser findings have been highly consistent with Gallup and other surveys.

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    To stir the pot a bit:
    Franken vs. Axelrod
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    All polls depend on the questions you ask and how you ask them. When you ask someone how they feel about a particular "bill", what you hear depends more on what they have heard about the "bill" than about the actual contents of the bill. In the health care debate, there has been little to no correlation between the contents of proposals under consideration and the talking points used to attack them.
    There were some interesting responses to questions asked during yesterday's tea party protest in Washington DC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    There were some interesting responses to questions asked during yesterday's tea party protest in Washington DC.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448
    Done by "New Left Media", no bias there. They interviewed approx. 10 people in a 9:51 video. I don't know if you've practiced partisan politics, I have, & even in a fairly cleansed atmosphere there is no shortage of nutcases, sort of like POTUS Place . Lots of opinions, few answers that will work for the masses, most people only think of their OX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    Done by "New Left Media", no bias there. They interviewed approx. 10 people in a 9:51 video. I don't know if you've practiced partisan politics, I have, & even in a fairly cleansed atmosphere there is no shortage of nutcases, sort of like POTUS Place . Lots of opinions, few answers that will work for the masses, most people only think of their OX.
    So, you're saying that the people interviewed are unrepresentative nut jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    There were some interesting responses to questions asked during yesterday's tea party protest in Washington DC.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448
    Do you think if they interviewed 10 members of Congress, the answers would be any better?
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