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    Jeff-

    As I recall, they've borrowed from the Medicare trust fund and repaid it with an IOU and then counted the IOU as both an asset and as income thereby making 0+0 = 2....new math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    MY A**, it is BS accounting and even the CBO admits it!
    If I tried to do that crap I'd loose my CPA license!
    Actually, if you tried to do any of the things done on the Federal books for a private company you would go to jail and if you tried to keep accounts for Federal income and revenues the way you would for a private business you would go to jail. The rules are fundamentally different -- some for good reason and some for bad. I had to laugh when Republican representatives were saying they never tried to influence the CBO or to use its reports as justification for action. In fact, the last administration attacked the CBO regularly for "overstating" the costs of actions such as the tax cuts and the Medicare prescription program. The CBO estimates turned out closer than the administration's. Budget projections regarding the impact of specific legislation, under any circumstances, are difficult. They look at a particular bill over a period of 10 years on the assumption that nothing else will change for better or worse. The reality is that nothing will stay the same. All in all, the CBO has a pretty good track record of remaining non-partisan and of attempting to do an impossible task professionally.

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    Jeff-

    As I recall, they've borrowed from the Medicare trust fund and repaid it with an IOU and then counted the IOU as both an asset and as income thereby making 0+0 = 2....new math.

    Eric
    I read the CBO report, but I do not recognize that particular equation....

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    Anyone know where all the proposed amendments can be found? It would be interesting also to know what amendments the Rs proposed to the original bill that were rejected. We haven't heard much about those, except that there were a lot of them.

    There are a couple in the top 10 that don't sound so "outrageous".

    Does one really need a PR campaign to counsel fiscal responsibility to the public? They're learning the hard way on that by being unemployed?

    The amendment requiring Congress to be part of this health care reform is not outrageous. I wonder if the Congressional plan falls into the "luxury" status. If so, will they pay their penalty on it as assiduously as they pay their other taxes? Their employer is the Fed govt ... I presume the Fed govt cannot compel itself to pay a tax, so it would fall upon the employee? Is this all clear in the bill as it stands? Or is Congress exempt? If so, shame on them ... 535 times.

    If there is no other use of Viagra other than ED of unknown etiology, why does health care pay for it ever? Diabetics can be subject to ED ... so treat the diabetes, right? Are there any long-term health risks in allowing ED to go untreated? The abortion pill should not be lumped in there since, from what I gather, there are some cases when abortion can be funded from govt funds (rape, incest, danger to the mother) ... or did I get that wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    There are a couple in the top 10 that don't sound so "outrageous".
    Yeah. It seems that the person who linked that article isn't terribly interested in explaining why they are so outrageous.They must feel that they are so, since they posted it and didn't refute any of the ten.

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    Just as we were wondering whether it needs to be a law that legislators read bills before voting:

    Gap in health care law's protection for children
    Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar - Associated Press
    Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children. Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

    And evidently there was a need to specify that the bill would cover at least certain Federal employees:

    Senator Chuck Grassley offered an amendment during Senate debate on the health care reconciliation bill to apply the reform legislation to the President, Vice President, cabinet members and top White House staff. The amendment was defeated 56-42 along party lines. Recall Democrat staffers who wrote the bill exempted themselves from it.
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