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    Maybe I'm an extremist but i don't believe you should compromise on what you believe is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    "President Obama threw out his shoulder on Sunday at the 19th Street Baptist Church while reaching across the aisle to shake hands with Senate Republican Olympia Snowe, who was also in attendance. Just one day after Congress passed the $787 billion stimulus package, the ill-fated gesture was intended to be an act of post-partisan solidarity."
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    My my, the Dipitydog speaks. As you put down the conservatives but promote the likes of Arriana, you needn't tell me what you have been huffing-by-the-ton, you are all too obvious.

    If you didn't know it, getting a RINO like Olmypia Snowe in your camp is a joke. He didn't need to reach far. I'm thinking he may have tripped over her, since she was probably underfoot. How did he injure his shoulder ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by eildydar View Post
    I've always been confused by the declaration that repubs are the party of no. If the repubs were in charge and putting all kinds of things you completely disagree with in place would you hope that your congressman would just vote with the majority because you obviously wouldn't want to be the party of no right? Or would you want someone to stand up for what they believe and vote accordingly.
    I would want somebody to stand up for what it right. Unfortunately, when the Republicans were in charge and calling the shots, the Democrats never could must the balls to stand up and say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    who is the enemy of the moderate ? the far right or the far left...or is it anyone who doesnt share in your way of thinking...
    I would say the political enemy of the moderate is the extremist. It can come from both right and left. In my lifetime in my country, it has come primarily from the Right.The assassins of JFK, MLK, and RFK were all extremists. As was Timothy McVea and a handful of abortion clinic bombers. I'd place them all in the right wing camp of extremists. On the other hand, in the 70's left wing extremists were running around blowing stuff up. Weatherman, Patty Hearst and the Simbianese Liberation Army or some such band of kooks. Osama Bin Ladin is also a right wing extremist from his home country of Saudi Arabia.

    Obama and Clinton both tried to govern from the center. Clinton's legacy is on par with Reagan and Pappy Bush, who also governed from the Center, and who all rank probably in the middle of the pack for US presidents. I'd put them just right of center, and just left of center.
    The Cheney / Bush Jr administration was hard right. Probably as extremist as any US president in history. Hence, the disastrous legacy he left. Obama, must be governing from the center, because he's PO'd the extremists, both left and right. My .02. As in all things, moderation in government is probably best.
    I think it might have been Mark Twain who once said, Congress can get mighty ugly, but it still beats the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    I would say the political enemy of the moderate is the extremist. It can come from both right and left. In my lifetime in my country, it has come primarily from the Right.The assassins of JFK, MLK, and RFK were all extremists. As was Timothy McVea and a handful of abortion clinic bombers. I'd place them all in the right wing camp of extremists. Yes, who can forget that famous rightwing communist, Lee Harvey Oswald. Good grief, dude. On the other hand, in the 70's left wing extremists were running around blowing stuff up. Weatherman, Patty Hearst and the Simbianese Liberation Army or some such band of kooks. Osama Bin Ladin is also a right wing extremist from his home country of Saudi Arabia. OSB a right winger, eh? Interesting. It was hard to tell during the '04 and '06 elections whether the Democrats were writing down bin Laden talking points or if bin Laden was stealing the Democrat's talking points. Kerry, bin Laden, Reid...same crap spewed; just coming out of different pieholes.

    Obama and Clinton both tried to govern from the center. Clinton's legacy is on par with Reagan and Pappy Bush, who also governed from the Center, and who all rank probably in the middle of the pack for US presidents. I'd put them just right of center, and just left of center.
    The Cheney / Bush Jr administration was hard right. Probably as extremist as any US president in history. LMAO. Aside from foreign policy related issues (because the Democrats in Congress voted along with him every step of the way), please give me two or three examples of what you believe to be Bush's most extremist positions. Hence, the disastrous legacy he left. Obama, must be governing from the center, because he's PO'd the extremists, both left and right. My .02. As in all things, moderation in government is probably best.
    I think it might have been Mark Twain who once said, Congress can get mighty ugly, but it still beats the alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Loeffelholz View Post
    Your missive is understandable, people should stand up for their convictions.

    Jeff's (Yardley Labs) response to your statement is spot on....... our form of government incorporates good faith compromise by its very structure........and after the legislative compromises a vote is taken to make a decision on the subject at hand, and people vote their convictions at that point.

    For me the party of "NO" notion comes from declarations made such as "health care reform will be Obama's waterloo" or words to that effect by republicans before a bill was even submitted for consideration. This leads me to believe that there is a breach of "good faith" and the motivation is really to effectively overturn the prior presidential election.

    I think this political posturing and breach of good faith is in large part fostered by the massive amount of media now involved that manufacture news by hyping opposing viewpoints and unfortunately the elected officials being politicians have found it more attractive and/or easy to participate in the "politics of personal destruction" than practice the lost art of statesmanship
    You could have saved a lot of typing in your explanation to eildydar if you just typed your simplified version of the truth:

    When no Democrats in Congress voted with Bush it was because Bush was a partisan extremist.

    When no Republicans in Congress vote with Obama it's because they're obstructionists.

    See how simple that would have been?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    You could have saved a lot of typing in your explanation to eildydar if you just typed your simplified version of the truth:

    When no Democrats in Congress voted with Bush it was because Bush was a partisan extremist.

    When no Republicans in Congress vote with Obama it's because they're obstructionists.

    See how simple that would have been?
    You are putting words in Bruce's mouth.

    I think it could have more accurately been shortened by saying:

    Democrats are gutless spineless wonders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    You could have saved a lot of typing in your explanation to eildydar if you just typed your simplified version of the truth:

    When no Democrats in Congress voted with Bush it was because Bush was a partisan extremist.

    When no Republicans in Congress vote with Obama it's because they're obstructionists.

    See how simple that would have been?
    The fact is that Democrats routinely supported legislation proposed by Bush, including supporting the adoption of misguided tax cuts in 2001 and confirmation of two of the most right wing extremist justices nominated to the Supreme Court in our history. Ultimately, Democrats held up 10 judicial appointments out of hundreds submitted by the administration, and were attacked for having done so. The record of Democrats supporting Bush is dramatically different from the record of Republicans supporting Obama. By every measure, this is the most partisanly divided Congress in history (at least according to the Congressional Record), and it is not because the current administration is any more extreme than the last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    The fact is that Democrats routinely supported legislation proposed by Bush, including supporting the adoption of misguided tax cuts in 2001 and confirmation of two of the most right wing extremist justices nominated to the Supreme Court in our history. Ultimately, Democrats held up 10 judicial appointments out of hundreds submitted by the administration, and were attacked for having done so. The record of Democrats supporting Bush is dramatically different from the record of Republicans supporting Obama. By every measure, this is the most partisanly divided Congress in history (at least according to the Congressional Record), and it is not because the current administration is any more extreme than the last one.


    And it has NOTHING to do with the obvious slide towards socialism, and the developement of an oligarchy by Obama and his henchmen. What a batch of fools you continue to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    And it has NOTHING to do with the obvious slide towards socialism, and the developement of an oligarchy by Obama and his henchmen. What a batch of fools you continue to be.


    http://www.notintexas.org/Taking_Back_America.htm

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    As distinct from the slide toward fascism and the recreation of an oligarchy of wealth under Bush? Over the last 20+ years, the most distinct trend in America has been an continuously increasing concentration of wealth and income with a very small percentage of the population while the bottom 50% have been left behind. How is that evidence of a slide toward socialism? Tax rates for the wealthy have declined continuously over the last 30+ years. Even if every tax increase discussed by the current administration is implemented, taxes on the wealthy will be lower than they were at the end of the Reagan administration. How is that evidence of a slide toward socialism? Name calling may be fun, but facts speak louder.

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