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drop the team because the handler spoke to the dog before dog was released
carry the team with stern warning
I also find it "funny" that there seems to be a major distinction in the minds of many people between a "HRC controlled break", and an "AKC controlled break".
It makes them say things like;
"In HRC, that wouldn't be a controlled break. But, in AKC it is."
In the original post the question was about a SR dog ...It doesn't apply to HRC....I don't run HRC but as I understand their rules , you can talk to the dog as the birds are going down...that is like an AKC honor in the hunt test game...There is no controlled break when the dog is in the honor box of a master event ....He either broke or didn't ...Steve SOriginally Posted by copterdoc
"Your dog learns as much by doing his work right,by your praise and encouragement, as he does by your displeasure and correction." DLWalters
Wait SR is HRC equals Started Retriever, SH (Senior hunter) dog would relate to AKC, So confusing when threads come back 2-3 years later
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Paradox, I think that is what I wore when I was in the insurance business.
Tim Bockmon.
Right.
And in the eyes of almost half of the people that have voted in the above poll, there isn't any such thing as a controlled break in a senior event either.
There is a problem with that.
Ah, I missed that detail, MY BAD
SO I looked again at the rule cause I couldn't remember a provision for one controlled break and actually... It's a judgment call in SH.
Consistency is still of utmost importance IMO.
Last edited by DarrinGreene; 01-17-2013 at 05:15 PM.
Darrin Greene
The Sr was describing the handler..not a dog...so I assumed it was also a senior dog.. I guess we need to be more specific when posting to give out the exact info we want.....by the way in AKC a jr dog is(should be ) on lead and can't break...What is the process of a started dog in HRC..? Steve SWait SR is HRC equals Started Retriever, SH (Senior hunter) dog would relate to AKC, So confusing when threads come back 2-3 years later
Last edited by steve schreiner; 01-17-2013 at 05:33 PM.
"Your dog learns as much by doing his work right,by your praise and encouragement, as he does by your displeasure and correction." DLWalters
In the Aug'11 rule book , for hunt test , page 28 section 5 Senior Hunting Test sub section 2, "Dogs shall be steady on the line ,but a controlled break or creeping shall result in a relative lower score in Trainability,than a controlled break or creeping in a junior hunt test".... This sounds ( looks ) like there is no reason to automatically drop a Senior level dog for being unsteady until the problem becomes chronic... I'm all for going back to the days of "non -slip retrievers " one sit and then keep your mouth shut and see what happens .... Steve SAh, I missed that detail, MY BAD
SO I looked again at the rule cause I couldn't remember a provision for one controlled break and actually... It's a judgment call in SH.
Consistency is still of utmost importance IMO.
"Your dog learns as much by doing his work right,by your praise and encouragement, as he does by your displeasure and correction." DLWalters
No argument here Steve. I see SH as the milestone where I'm willing to hunt a dog, so in my personal case, I expect solid steadiness in a test at this level. We judge to the standard though, not our personal expectations. Mine have always been higher for my personal dog, even in MH, and I hope it showed in his performance.
Darrin Greene
JH vs. SR are pretty similar only in SR your not required to deliver to hand (althought they usually all do) just area & no age requirement. Still you see a very broad spectrum of dog in SR, From very young pups to very advanced dogs that just aren't handling yet, and while dogs can be held it's a mismatch on those who do and people choose not to so they can utilize the gun, for experience, before they move on to seasoned where gun mistakes can cost you. But as you can have involved conversations with your dog in any level of HRC, as long as your not intimidating them, the OP questions prob does refer to AKC. End the end it all comes down to individual judges, I've been failed and passed in both HRC & AKC for what might be viewed as controlled breaks.
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