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Thread: Controlled Break in HRC

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    In a Finished level land series, a dog is at the line as a triple is being thrown. The go bird, is a short (15 yrd) mark, that the dog has to pull over about 45 deg from bird #2 in order to mark.
    The dog pulls over and sees the mark fall, but stands up as the bird reaches the peak of the arc. Just before the Handler fires the last popper, he says "SIT". The dog sits and waits to be sent following the fall.
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    Got to be a story here....
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    The thing with HRC is you can talk to your dog and I feel as long as the dog doesn't get past the end of the barrel I don't care if it stands, sits or lays down. Now keep in mind I don't judge HRC, have only run up to the Finished level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Davis View Post
    Got to be a story here....
    My guess is this is a follow on question to the AKC Senior HT question about a controlled break or not....but of course with an HRC twist??
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    Unless there is very poor control coming to the line and out in the field, a controlled break allowed at the Finished level. Grand level is a different story, but in the scenario that is described, would be very acceptable.
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    When did moving from a seated to a standing position and then sitting on command become a controlled break especially if the dog did not make forward progress?
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    CB in Finished is up to the judges, not an automatic failure. HRC allows talking to the dog so you see a lot of "SIT" while birds in the air. Unless the dog makes a move forward ( several steps) and has to be recalled, in my book it is a creep and goes to the general category of control, but not a break or CB. End of the barrel is the generally accepted area for a creep before it is a CB.
    Up to the set of judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    In a Finished level land series, a dog is at the line as a triple is being thrown. The go bird, is a short (15 yrd) mark, that the dog has to pull over about 45 deg from bird #2 in order to mark.
    The dog pulls over and sees the mark fall, but stands up as the bird reaches the peak of the arc. Just before the Handler fires the last popper, he says "SIT". The dog sits and waits to be sent following the fall.
    That's NOT a controlled break in HRC.
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    A controlled break in HRC is when the handler stops the forward momentum of the dog with a command. If the dog simply stood up (repositioned itself to see a bird thrown at 45% as said), I don't see it as even a creep. If the handler said sit and stopped the forward monentum of the dog it would be a CB and would be judged as such.
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    What the OP described is not a CB, and may not even be a creep.
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