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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    could someone please explain the purpose of dockdiving competition? It looks like all have fun, including the dog, but aren't most dog events based on tasks the dogs were bred to perform? sure getting in water is part of a dogs job, but specifically training it to run full blast the the very edge then launch really doesn't do much for retrieving, does it? I mean, I'd rather my dog sit attentively at watch as several ducks go down and mark them, rather than getting all hyped up focusing on the edge of the bank. I've had some companion dogs that I would consider this for as a fun outlet, but probably wouldn't want my hunting dog trained on this.

    Not donning a flame suit, as this is not a dig, just a question and observation.
    if the dogs enjoy it and the owners enjoy it and training their dogs is fun and makes them better pets, why not do it? why would someone buy a lab to run trials and hunt tests and not hunt them? that is what they are bred for (hunting), not tests and trials. and what is up with sending a dog to a professional trainer? if you don't have time to train it yourself how do you have time to hunt? if you don't have time to hunt why own a hunting dog?

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    aandw, its a typical dnf mindless post taking a shot at something he obviously knows nothing about. Sad,sad,sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    Don't know about your dog dnf, but mine can Dock Dive and hunt as well. Too bad your dog can't do both as its a lot of fun for the dogs. Having to explain the purpose of Dock Diving is self explanatory. Its to have fun with your dogs. As far as it doesn't do much for retrieving, its obvious you've seen the "speed retrieve" competition. Its amazing how someone who knows nothing about a subject can bad mouth it just to be argumentative. Its a typical dnf post. dnf have your dogs ever won ANY competition? The dog in my Avatar has won many. She's a Dock Diving Champion who never missed the Final Four in any event she participated in. It's one thing to post anti-American drivel but now you've taken to bad mouthing dogs having fun. Sad,sad,sad.
    I asked a question. I don't think many FC dogs compete in DD, but that's a little different story. I was curious as if many HT dogs do both, and if so, does the DD trainig affect their marking abilities? YOU are the most argumentative SOB I've seen.

    I just don't have a need to train my dog to jump in the water. He did that from a pup! Glad you got your dog through that critical phase though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aandw View Post
    if the dogs enjoy it and the owners enjoy it and training their dogs is fun and makes them better pets, why not do it? why would someone buy a lab to run trials and hunt tests and not hunt them? that is what they are bred for (hunting), not tests and trials. and what is up with sending a dog to a professional trainer? if you don't have time to train it yourself how do you have time to hunt? if you don't have time to hunt why own a hunting dog?
    I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with DD, and never said I did. I was wondering if getting a dog all revved up for entry would diminish his marking ability? Should have known better than to think gman would be anything but an arse an turn this into a scrap.

    Anyone BESIDES the 3Bs run HT and DD?
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    SOB? Why do you have to resort to mindless name calling? You've been exposed again for trying to take a shot a Dock Diving for no reason at all. I know of several professional trainers who have handled dogs in DD they've trained for hunting. How could DD affect marking? Are you for real? Again I ask have you ever had a dog win ANYTHING? I seriously doubt you even have a dog.
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    DD not your cup of tea, i can live with that. but before you said "this is not a dig", it sure sounded like one. an athlete is an athlete, running, jumping, and retrieving, the best are the best. there is a reason they are the best, they train and compete.
    is mens' figure skating a sport or what a man was bred for? you can have your opinion and i can have mine on that one. but one thing is for sure it takes a hell of a lot of training and drive to be able to do it.
    but how does anybody watch it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    SOB? Why do you have to resort to mindless name calling? You've been exposed again for trying to take a shot a Dock Diving for no reason at all. I know of several professional trainers who have handled dogs in DD they've trained for hunting. How could DD affect marking? Are you for real? Again I ask have you ever had a dog win ANYTHING? I seriously doubt you even have a dog.
    Again? This was the first time I've ever commented on it, and was asking a legitimate question. I still wonder if conditioning a dog to get all revved up on the line like that adversely affects marking? Is that not a concern? I would think one would at least ponder that. After all, you can't train one thing without untraing another. I think that's a legit question.

    As for calling you an argumentative SOB, I think the shoe fits, but I'll redact that statement if it makes you feel better, or like answering a question about the sport you're obviously passionate about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with DD, and never said I did. I was wondering if getting a dog all revved up for entry would diminish his marking ability? Should have known better than to think gman would be anything but an arse an turn this into a scrap.

    Anyone BESIDES the 3Bs run HT and DD?
    there you go, turning it into a personal attack.


    get your head out of the sand and think for a second. there are many many many dogs and owners out there that dont hunt. no one said dock dogs is only for hunting dogs. this is a great venue for someone who owns a pet lab, chessie, yorkshire terrier, doberman, jack russel, anything.

    in the typical events i go to, out of 50 dogs entered maybe 3 are hunt test dogs as well. it is a great venue and way to enjoy a dog/owner relationship for the masses.


    there are 2 methods - "the chase" and "place and send". "the chase" is when a handler stands at the end of the dock, gives the command "fetch" or whatever and the dog runs and they throw it right before the dog gets there, enticing a chase like jump. this is highly effective for some.


    others prefer "place and send", which is really just a mark. thats what i do most of the time, that way my dog does not get any breaking ideas, and i line him and lay my hand in front just like in retrieving, making him concentrate on that mark.

    first master leg at 20 mos. so i am not concerned that i am messing him up. he definitely knows the difference between the two games we play.

    have you ever been to my website? i invite you to look in the "Dogs" section at some recent events, i think you will see how much fun these dogs are having, dogs that otherwise would just be regular house pets. it gives them and their owner a venue for fun and competition.

    i have several friends whose dogs jump 6 or 10 feet, and sometimes even balk, and never have a chance at a win or a title. but they dont care, they have so much fun enjoying this activity with their dogs they happily spend the money, travel costs, hotels, etc, just like we do for HT/FTs.

    i hope this was helpful for you to understand better


    by the way, top dogs jump 23-26 feet, somewhere around 28 is the record. for ev, the record is 8 feet, common events have 7' + jumps:



    probably only about 10-20% of the dogs understand this concept. and when they get it, its a blast. awesome to see them at hold, eyes locked on that prize, and how they really strive to get the heigth

    tell me this dog isnt totally in to it!


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    also - SRS includes it as part of their events.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    SOB? Why do you have to resort to mindless name calling? You've been exposed again for trying to take a shot a Dock Diving for no reason at all. I know of several professional trainers who have handled dogs in DD they've trained for hunting. How could DD affect marking? Are you for real? Again I ask have you ever had a dog win ANYTHING? I seriously doubt you even have a dog.

    I suppose I should feel bad for stirring the pot. But as least now you're talking about dogs!


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