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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Call me socialist...

    gladly, you are a socialist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    No system is perfect. I'm sure they have problems. And no doubt they will solve their problems So do we. And by the numbers, we pay more, and get less. For 30 years I've paid healthcare premiums. Now, I'm over 50 and no insurance company will sell me a policy. I'm lucky. I have a job with a group plan.
    Couple of years ago I was sweating bullets, not for myself, but for my family. I was unemployed and using half my unemployment money to pay for COBRA. At that time it was about 600 a month for my family. Now its well over a thousand.
    There is also the fact that the most common cause of bankruptcy in the US is healthcare costs. And more often than not, those going bankrupt have insurance.
    People allowed themselves to be duped by the millions the industry threw into (and continue to) a media blitz of mis-information. Here it is in its simplest form.
    Heard a testimony from an American living in England. Same job, same company, different country. His paycheck has a deduction for health insurance. According to him, it's about the same as his deduction was here in the US. In England his healthcare deduction goes to the government. In the US it goes to an Insurance Company.
    The difference is, when he got sick, broken leg I believe. He had the surgery and all the follow up care. Never spent a dime of his own money. Everything, medications, hospitalization, surgery, physicians services, all of it was 100% covered. Remember, same deduction from his paycheck.
    I had a nasty broken leg a few years ago. I also had a very good policy here. I got great treatment. 25K for the surgery, lots of meds, physical therapy, etc. Besides my insurance premiums I also had to fork out several thousand for co-pays, deductibles, medications, etc. In this case, same services, only mine cost me a lot more. Why? So United Healthcare could make their profit. An anecdote to this story is that the year I broke my leg, the CEO of United Healthcare received compensation of about half a billion dollars.
    There are always those who want something for nothing hence your attitude on health care. You will find that you will be getting much less for much more. For you, I think it's funny. For the rest of the country, it blows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    Not at all. The decision on whether or not to a service should be profit or non-profit rests solely on the merit of selecting the most effective method of delivery. Most countries in this world do not have profit driven health insurance industries. They deliver a better product at a lower cost. Examples are Canada, England,?
    Screw the british system. They decided my grandmother should die,because it was cost effective. If she had been in the US she probably would have lived.
    She was 71 had a heart attack and was given no real treatment, stuck in a ward with muliple beds ansd basically left to die. Those are the facts. This was in the mid 80's. NO CCU, no this no that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    There are always those who want something for nothing hence your attitude on health care. You will find that you will be getting much less for much more. For you, I think it's funny. For the rest of the country, it blows.
    Try reading it again. Read slowly. You pay insurance who takes a huge piece for profit and does all they can do deny claims; or you pay government who insures everyone for NO PROFIT. Now, once again, READ IT OUT LOUD. Where does it say you're getting SOMETHING FOR NOTHING??????? Please show me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Screw the british system. They decided my grandmother should die,because it was cost effective. If she had been in the US she probably would have lived.
    She was 71 had a heart attack and was given no real treatment, stuck in a ward with muliple beds ansd basically left to die. Those are the facts. This was in the mid 80's. NO CCU, no this no that.
    Fortunately that never happens in America. What are we up to now.. 50 MILLION uninsured!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Screw the british system. They decided my grandmother should die,because it was cost effective. If she had been in the US she probably would have lived.
    She was 71 had a heart attack and was given no real treatment, stuck in a ward with muliple beds ansd basically left to die. Those are the facts. This was in the mid 80's. NO CCU, no this no that.
    And I just saw a lady in her 50s come in with advanced breast cancer, that in a country such as our, NEVER should happen. She didn't have insurance, and didn't want to run up bills, so never went to the doctor. She never got a chance to have a heart attack at 71. She died of a treatable disease, for lack of basic health care.

    Subroc: I knew that was coming! And well deserved for my comments, I admit. But what is so bad about some aspects of gov't and society being socialized? We gladly accept a socialist system for our "common defense". Why not for another giant elephant that affects all Americans at one point or another? I'm not asking why you called me a socialist in this regard.....rather, why is that so bad in this case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    And I just saw a lady in her 50s come in with advanced breast cancer, that in a country such as our, NEVER should happen. She didn't have insurance, and didn't want to run up bills, so never went to the doctor. She never got a chance to have a heart attack at 71. She died of a treatable disease, for lack of basic health care.
    I would like some proof of that.

    It doesn't pass the smell test.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I hear what you're saying. I already am essentially a gov't employee. Over half of my income is derived from medicare or state med-assist...and a few private insurance carriers.....all of whom pattern compensation off medicare rates. Why not just eliminate the middle man? The defense industry seems quite happy indeed with their arrangement. And due to the sheer size and overall dollar amount of the health care industry, its almost on par with the defense industry. There will always be a demand and market for private pay health care and insurance. But to ensure the masses have some form of care, maybe a two-tiered, gov't run health industry would be the way to go. Just a thought.
    There are many things we could try. We know two things to be self evident.
    1. What we are doing is too costly and produces bad results to consumers.
    2. Any change that is proposed will be met with fierce resistance from the health insurance industries in the interest of protecting their current profit streams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I would like some proof of that.

    It doesn't pass the smell test.



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    Poor choice of words, RK. Advanced and inflammatory breast cancer, once in erodes through the skin, is quite malodorous. The smell is what sometimes forces these women to seek care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    And I just saw a lady in her 50s come in with advanced breast cancer, that in a country such as our, NEVER should happen. She didn't have insurance, and didn't want to run up bills, so never went to the doctor. She never got a chance to have a heart attack at 71. She died of a treatable disease, for lack of basic health care.
    Would like like an even better example?
    My dad had an accident while in the UK. Long story short, a young retriever jumped on him as he was jumping from the house barge to the shore, knocked him off balance and he ended up getting squished between the barge and the dock, shattering his shoulder.
    They "fixed" his shattered shoulder in the UK. When he got home to the US they had to totally redo the job done in the UK.
    As for isnurance, he was covered under the UK system because he had paid in for many years. He also had a great US employer policy. Basically he was double insured. He got half ass treatment in the UK compared to the US. They basically had to redo the next week anything that was done in te UK.
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