Afraid to Vote??

[road kill]

Allowing a vote isn't "punishing" anyone. Every Senator would be perfectly free to vote against the bill extending middle class cuts knowing that would result in automatic increases for everyone based on the bills pushed through by Bush in 2001 and 2003. Anyone who wants is also free to submit an alternative bill to extend all cuts. However, there aren't enough committee votes to get that through.


41 votes in the Senate is all it takes to prevent a vote. Republicans have that many votes and have promised a filibuster against any bill that extends only some of the cuts. There is not question that such a bill would receive a majority vote if a vote were permitted. Given that I would much rather see all of the taxes cuts expire than see all of them be extended, I am perfectly happy with a stalemate.

Looks like the Deomcrat controlled house is siding with the 15%.

Nothing new!!!!


RK

[YardleyLabs]

Looks like the Deomcrat controlled house is siding with the 15%.

Nothing new!!!!


RK

And the Republicans are trying to force their opinions on the 59% that disagree.

[road kill]

And the Republicans are trying to force their opinions on the 59% that disagree.

Then why don't the Democrats force a vote???
Embarrass the Republicans and kick dey azzzez in November????

I mean, who is shutting down congress early??

Boehner??

Nope........

Pelosi!!!

YEP!!!



RK

[Clay Rogers]

Then why don't the Democrats force a vote???
Embarrass the Republicans and kick dey azzzez in November????

I mean, who is shutting down congress early??

Boehner??

Nope........

Pelosi!!!

YEP!!!



RK

That was exactly my point to Jeff. He just danced around it by saying that the republicans would filibuster any vote. When in fact, they can't stop a vote from happening. And you make a good point RK, vote on the damn things, and let the chips fall were they may. The reason they don't is because they are gonna lose enough seats as it is. If they voted prior to the election, boy it would be bad.

[Clay Rogers]

Allowing a vote isn't "punishing" anyone. Every Senator would be perfectly free to vote against the bill extending middle class cuts knowing that would result in automatic increases for everyone based on the bills pushed through by Bush in 2001 and 2003. Anyone who wants is also free to submit an alternative bill to extend all cuts. However, there aren't enough committee votes to get that through.


41 votes in the Senate is all it takes to prevent a vote. Republicans have that many votes and have promised a filibuster against any bill that extends only some of the cuts. There is not question that such a bill would receive a majority vote if a vote were permitted. Given that I would much rather see all of the taxes cuts expire than see all of them be extended, I am perfectly happy with a stalemate.

And why are you posting polls? If you go by this as rationale for not voting, then why was healthcare voted on, when clearly the majority of the people wanted them to wait?

[YardleyLabs]

And why are you posting polls? If you go by this as rationale for not voting, then why was healthcare voted on, when clearly the majority of the people wanted them to wait?

Because it clearly depended on which day you asked them and how you phrased the question, with polls showing anywhere from two-thirds support to two-thirds opposition in the weeks leading up to the vote. Even now, if you add those who support the bill to those who oppose it because it didn't go far enough, you end up with around 50% of the electorate. The opposition has always seemed bigger when seen out of the "right" eye than in reality.

BTW, the premise of this whole thread was that the Democrats were "afraid" to allow a vote. The fact is that the Repubicans are afraid to allow a vote in the Senate because they know that the Democrat proposal would pass and they know that the House would then go along.

[Gerry Clinchy]

If the Rs were smart they'd compromise: keep the tax cuts for under $250K; let the FIT increase for those earning over $250K; BUT keep the capital gains taxes at a reasonably lower level than the FIT for all earnings levels.

[WaterDogRem]

Yea, Yea, I know. Was just hoping for some logic as to why he picked the Army.

Then why don't the Democrats force a vote???
Embarrass the Republicans and kick dey azzzez in November????

I mean, who is shutting down congress early??

Boehner??

Nope........

Pelosi!!!

YEP!!!



RK

Dodged, Dodged.....Guess you guys our on mental ignore

[Clay Rogers]

Dodged, Dodged.....Guess you guys our on mental ignore

I guess your right. I liked Dave's answer and would support it 100%.

[road kill]

Any time you want to have a civil discussion, I'm more that willing to listen.

Besides, I wasn't logged in, so your post popped up unblocked.

How did you respond if you were not logged in??


RK