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    I hope someone gives us a big push down this slippery slope!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...od-stamp-buys/

    NEW YORK -- New Yorkers on food stamps would not be allowed to spend them on sugar-sweetened drinks under an obesity-fighting proposal being floated by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. David Paterson.

    Bloomberg and Paterson planned to announce Thursday that they are seeking permission from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the nation's food stamp program, to add sugary drinks to the list of prohibited goods for city residents receiving assistance.

    If approved, it would be the first time an item would be banned from the federal program based solely on nutritional value.

    The idea has been suggested previously, including in 2008 in Maine, where it drew criticism from advocates for the poor who argued it unfairly singled out low-income people and risked scaring off potential needy recipients.Actually, it singles out those who have to have someone else pay for their food. Many of us who use our own money to buy food don't buy sugary drinks, so why should someone else use my money to buy them? They should be allowed to buy what is necessary, not luxury items! If not being allowed to buy soda is going to scare you away from food stamps, you obviously don't need them anyway. What a BS excuse.

    And in 2004 the USDA rejected Minnesota's plan to ban junk food, including soda and candy, from food stamp purchases, saying it would violate the Food Stamp Act's definition of what is food and could create "confusion and embarrassment" at the register.Good. Maybe they'll be so embarassed they'll shop responsibly or -gasp- get a job and spend their OWN money on junk food!

    The food stamp system, which was launched in the 1960s, serves some 40 million Americans a month and does not currently restrict any other foods based on nutrition. Recipients can essentially buy any food for the household, although there are some limits on hot or prepared foods.

    Food stamps also cannot be used to buy alcohol, cigarettes or items such as pet food, vitamins or household goods.

    The city and state proposal would be temporary, so officials could study its effects over two years. It would apply only to food stamp recipients in New York City -- 1.7 million of the city's more than 8 million residents -- and would not affect the amount of assistance they receive.

    "This initiative will give New York families more money to spend on foods and drinks that provide real nourishment," said a statement from Bloomberg, who also has outlawed trans-fats in restaurant food and has forced chain restaurants to post calorie counts on menus.

    In fiscal year 2009, New Yorkers received $2.7 billion in food stamp benefits 2.7 billion in NY alone?? Something needs to be done about this...and spent $75 million to $135 million of that on sugary drinks, the city said.Huge waste of tax dollars! Those drinks are not necessary for survival!

    The ban would apply to any beverage that contains more than 10 calories per 8 ounces, except for milk products, milk substitutes like soy milk and rice milk, and fruit juices without added sugar.

    A 20-ounce sugar-sweetened drink can contain as many as 16 packets of sugar.

    There still are many unhealthful products New Yorkers could purchase with food stamps, including potato chips, ice cream and candy. But officials said the proposal targets sugary drinks because they are the largest contributor to obesity.

    "We continue to see a dramatic rise in obesity among children, especially in low-income communities," state Department of Health Commissioner Richard Daines said. "This initiative targets a major public health threat -- the high consumption of sugary beverages -- which have little to no nutritional value."

    More than half of adult New York City residents are overweight or obese, along with nearly 40 percent of public school students in kindergarten through eighth grade.

    City officials said lower-income residents are most likely to drink one or more sugar-sweetened drink a day; type 2 diabetes is also twice as common among poor New Yorkers compared to the wealthiest.

    The USDA had no immediate comment Thursday on the proposal.

    The department recently launched a pilot program to encourage food stamp recipients to make more healthful choices in their food shopping. Under the program, involving 7,500 randomly selected households in Massachusetts, participants get 30 cents added to their benefit balances for every dollar they spend on fruits and vegetables -- which reduces the cost of fresh produce by almost one-third.Excellent idea. Hopefully they actually use the produce rather than letting it go bad in the fridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducknwork View Post
    I hope someone gives us a big push down this slippery slope!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...od-stamp-buys/
    I agree with you.

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    Who was it here that eats for 42 cents per day? We should put them in charge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Who was it here that eats for 42 cents per day? We should put them in charge!
    That would help move healthcare costs in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Who was it here that eats for 42 cents per day? We should put them in charge!
    That would be me, although a tad exaggerated...

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    That would help move healthcare costs in the right direction.

    We go grocery shopping on Thursday nights. Tonight we've budgeted <$70 for groceries this week. It would be more, but we don't need diapers or wipes this week. None of us are in bad health and none of us are overweight at all. Here is our dinner menu for the week:

    Baked Ziti and salad
    Chili w/ some doves mixed in with the hamburger
    Fresh local shrimp w/french fries and salad
    Cornflake chicken w/broccoli and roasted red potatoes
    Homemade hash browns, eggs, and sausage or bacon
    Pork chops w/ some veggie and salad
    DU Banquet Saturday night

    Nothing unhealthy about any of it. You don't have to spend a fortune to eat well.

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    Geez, I still have heart burn from the Chili we had on Monday. Can I leave that off the list for a few
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    $2.7 billion divided by 1.7 million comes out to $30/wk/person. For a family of 4 that's $120/wk. Duck could eat like a king on that much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducknwork View Post
    That would be me, although a tad exaggerated...




    We go grocery shopping on Thursday nights. Tonight we've budgeted <$70 for groceries this week. It would be more, but we don't need diapers or wipes this week. None of us are in bad health and none of us are overweight at all. Here is our dinner menu for the week:

    Baked Ziti and salad
    Chili w/ some doves mixed in with the hamburger
    Fresh local shrimp w/french fries and salad
    Cornflake chicken w/broccoli and roasted red potatoes
    Homemade hash browns, eggs, and sausage or bacon
    Pork chops w/ some veggie and salad
    DU Banquet Saturday night

    Nothing unhealthy about any of it. You don't have to spend a fortune to eat well.
    That sounds great. Its not hard, but many people don't know what to do if it doesn't come out of a paper bag, box, or frozen tray.

    I'm amazed every time I go to the store at the checkout. I'm always asked "what is this" for things like leeks, shallots, rhubarb....these young clerks don't even know what real food looks like, if it doesn't have pictures and names on a box for them!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    $2.7 billion divided by 1.7 million comes out to $30/wk/person. For a family of 4 that's $120/wk. Duck could eat like a king on that much!
    With that kind of money, I'd probably buy lots of candy, tv dinners, and soda.

    Maybe throw in a dozen soft crabs and some filet mignon every now and then.


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