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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-threat-claims

    WOW!!!


    Where Roger at???

    There is hardly a day that goes by we don't hear how Bush lied about the threats in Iraq.

    I am curious the lefty's take on this "fabrication."



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    You know that doesn't count...

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    The story actually contains no "news" at all, simply speculation. That said, it may be true. There is certainly a well worn tradition of exaggerating threats whenever there are political pressures. Bush did it like clockwork, and Republicans basically claimed threat the entire war in Kosovo was a political diversion. However, it is equally true that there are threats every day and many are real. The specific threat mentioned in this case is bolstered by the arrest of 12 suspects in France a few days ago who are allegedly part of a Europe-wide plot to engage in attacks similar to those carried out in Mumbai, with automatic weapon shootings in hotels and other tourist areas. The US advisory mirrored advisories issued by the UK, France and Germany to their populations. Of course, the fact that your newspaper source is simply another extension of the Murdoch/Fox empire is just a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    The story actually contains no "news" at all, simply speculation. That said, it may be true. There is certainly a well worn tradition of exaggerating threats whenever there are political pressures. Bush did it like clockwork, and Republicans basically claimed threat the entire war in Kosovo was a political diversion. However, it is equally true that there are threats every day and many are real. The specific threat mentioned in this case is bolstered by the arrest of 12 suspects in France a few days ago who are allegedly part of a Europe-wide plot to engage in attacks similar to those carried out in Mumbai, with automatic weapon shootings in hotels and other tourist areas. The US advisory mirrored advisories issued by the UK, France and Germany to their populations. Of course, the fact that your newspaper source is simply another extension of the Murdoch/Fox empire is just a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Game, Set & Match.....road kill!!
    Are you suggesting that Bush and Clinton did not use threats to deflect attention from domestic political problems? Or are you suggesting that history should be ignored for the convenience of those who would like to pretend that all forms of crass politics were invented by Democrats? And what match is being played that you think you have won? Is it the one where an unsubstantiated piece of conservative drivel is portrayed as a startling new fact confirming the legitimacy or your own beliefs? If so, I would agree, you are almost always a hands down winner.

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    I guess these guys are liars;

    Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain
    • Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
    • European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'
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    "Wajid Shamsul Hasan, the high commissioner to Britain, a veteran diplomat who is close to Pakistan's president, suggested the Obama administration was playing politics with the terror threat before next month's midterm congressional elections, in which the Republicans are expected to make big gains.

    He also claimed President Obama was reacting to pressure to demonstrate that his Afghan war strategy and this year's troop surge, which are unpopular with the American public, were necessary.

    "I will not deny the fact that there may be internal political dynamics, including the forthcoming midterm American elections. If the Americans have definite information about terrorists and al-Qaida people, we should be provided [with] that and we could go after them ourselves," Hasan said.

    "Such reports are a mixture of frustrations, ineptitude and lack of appreciation of ground realities. Any attempt to infringe the sovereignty of Pakistan would not bring about stability in Afghanistan, which is presumably the primary objective of the American and Nato forces."

    __________________________________________________ ______________


    There is lot's more in the story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Are you suggesting that Bush and Clinton did not use threats to deflect attention from domestic political problems? Or are you suggesting that history should be ignored for the convenience of those who would like to pretend that all forms of crass politics were invented by Democrats? And what match is being played that you think you have won? Is it the one where an unsubstantiated piece of conservative drivel is portrayed as a startling new fact confirming the legitimacy or your own beliefs? If so, I would agree, you are almost always a hands down winner.
    In a nut shell I am asking where is the CHANGE??


    If your excuse is Bush did it, then this is more of the SAME, not CHANGE!!

    The match that has been won is your predictable knee jerk whining about Bush did it.
    That's all you got.






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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I guess these guys are liars;

    Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain
    Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
    European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'
    __________________________________________________ _____________


    "Wajid Shamsul Hasan, the high commissioner to Britain, a veteran diplomat who is close to Pakistan's president, suggested the Obama administration was playing politics with the terror threat before next month's midterm congressional elections, in which the Republicans are expected to make big gains.

    He also claimed President Obama was reacting to pressure to demonstrate that his Afghan war strategy and this year's troop surge, which are unpopular with the American public, were necessary.

    "I will not deny the fact that there may be internal political dynamics, including the forthcoming midterm American elections. If the Americans have definite information about terrorists and al-Qaida people, we should be provided [with] that and we could go after them ourselves," Hasan said.

    "Such reports are a mixture of frustrations, ineptitude and lack of appreciation of ground realities. Any attempt to infringe the sovereignty of Pakistan would not bring about stability in Afghanistan, which is presumably the primary objective of the American and Nato forces."

    __________________________________________________ ______________


    There is lot's more in the story.


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    From Reuters, October 5, 2010:

    PARIS, Oct 5 (Reuters) - French police arrested 12 people on Tuesday in early morning swoops the interior minister said were directly linked to a campaign to counter an elevated terrorism threat in Europe. France is on high alert after seven hostages, including five French citizens, were kidnapped by the North African wing of al Qaeda last month, and approval by the Senate of a bill to ban full-face veils. The hostages are still being held.

    The U.S. State Department on Sunday issued a warning to Americans to exercise caution while in Europe. Also on Sunday, Britain raised its terrorism threat level to high from general for those travelling to Germany and France. [ID:nLDE6920E7]

    "Yes there is a terrorist threat at the moment in Europe. It must be neither overestimated nor underestimated," Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux told France's National Assembly, the lower house of parliament, after the raids had taken place.

    "Just this morning, police operations were launched in Marseille and Bordeaux which led to arrests directly linked to the anti-terrorist campaign," said Hortefeux, who added that he had spoken among others to U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as recently as Monday night.

    "On such a sensitive, difficult issue, the French government is naturally working hand in hand with our partners, our allies and even further afield," the minister said.
    (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6940U9.htm)
    Maybe your question should be why the US did not issue an alert earlier than a few days before this arrest if it was known to France, the UK and Germany that such groups were plotting massive, Mumbai-style attacks. Alerts have been issued in France, Britain and Germany. Are you suggesting that they are exaggerating to help Obama? Maybe the arrests were staged for that purpose as well. In light of the known facts concerning the attacks that were being planned (or at least, the alleged facts), it would have been irresponsible not to issue a warning. At least we are no longer being subjected to daily report about the color of the day's terrorist threat warning (usually orange or red) based on non-specific information about activities that never materialized into anything. Now we get a warning when there is a specific threat that has already resulted in 12 arrests. That certainly does sound like an hysterical overreaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    From Reuters, October 5, 2010:

    PARIS, Oct 5 (Reuters) - French police arrested 12 people on Tuesday in early morning swoops the interior minister said were directly linked to a campaign to counter an elevated terrorism threat in Europe. France is on high alert after seven hostages, including five French citizens, were kidnapped by the North African wing of al Qaeda last month, and approval by the Senate of a bill to ban full-face veils. The hostages are still being held.

    The U.S. State Department on Sunday issued a warning to Americans to exercise caution while in Europe. Also on Sunday, Britain raised its terrorism threat level to high from general for those travelling to Germany and France. [ID:nLDE6920E7]

    "Yes there is a terrorist threat at the moment in Europe. It must be neither overestimated nor underestimated," Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux told France's National Assembly, the lower house of parliament, after the raids had taken place.

    "Just this morning, police operations were launched in Marseille and Bordeaux which led to arrests directly linked to the anti-terrorist campaign," said Hortefeux, who added that he had spoken among others to U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as recently as Monday night.

    "On such a sensitive, difficult issue, the French government is naturally working hand in hand with our partners, our allies and even further afield," the minister said.
    (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6940U9.htm)
    Maybe your question should be why the US did not issue an alert earlier than a few days before this arrest if it was known to France, the UK and Germany that such groups were plotting massive, Mumbai-style attacks. Alerts have been issued in France, Britain and Germany. Are you suggesting that they are exaggerating to help Obama? Maybe the arrests were staged for that purpose as well. In light of the known facts concerning the attacks that were being planned (or at least, the alleged facts), it would have been irresponsible not to issue a warning. At least we are no longer being subjected to daily report about the color of the day's terrorist threat warning (usually orange or red) based on non-specific information about activities that never materialized into anything. Now we get a warning when there is a specific threat that has already resulted in 12 arrests. That certainly does sound like an hysterical overreaction.
    I am not suggesting that, but if you read the article, I believe the authors of it are clearly stating that premise.
    Again;

    Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain
    • Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
    • European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'

    I think those headlines are clear, even if one chooses not to read the article.

    I am suggesting for you to excuse it be claiming Bush did it is nonsense.

    AGAIN....where is the CHANGE??


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I am not suggesting that, but if you read the article, I believe the authors of it are clearly stating that premise.
    Again;

    Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain
    Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
    European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'

    I think those headlines are clear, even if one chooses not to read the article.

    I am suggesting for you to excuse it be claiming Bush did it is nonsense.

    AGAIN....where is the CHANGE??


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    I agree. The story you linked is absolutely clear. It is also absurd on its face.

    The "intelligence" sources are not identified, but are contradicted by the statements of governmental officials in England, France and Germany, as well as by the facts of the on-going investigations and arrests. The Pakistani criticism is generalized and is in harmony with similar comments by Pakistani leaders who deny the existence of terrorist forces in Pakistan itself.

    Are you trying to prove that a Murdoch publication will write a stupid headline in its efforts to give weight to its overall opposition to the administration? If so, you are doing a great job. Do you believe the administration should have ignored the developments in Europe that led France, Germany and the UK to raise their threat warnings and to issue advisories to their populations? That is certainly what you seem to be saying. What do you believe the administration should have done? Or maybe you are embarrassed to answer that question.

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