Westboro Baptist church

[JJaxon]

This leader is very wrong. They/he leads a cult, nothing more. Anyone can claim independant Baptist and say they are protected. He follows no doctrine, he makes it as he goes. He is a cult leader sucking his family down with him. He needs to be rebuked, not hated. call him on his statements, make him show you where it says in the bible what he claims. It doesn't, and he won't. It's a false deity he proclaims, unless his bible is different that any you'll find in another Baptist church. The media isn't smart enough to make him show his true self. It's a hype'd story for them.

[Chris Rosier]

Im Southern Baptist.

Ill be sharing a cell with RK if I ever run into this bunch.

[ducknwork]

The media isn't smart enough to make him show his true self. It's a hype'd story for them.

It's not that the media isn't smart enough, it's just that they are content to allow him to make all Christians look bad. Just another example of not reporting the truth and pushing an agenda.

[dnf777]

It's not that the media isn't smart enough, it's just that they are content to allow him to make all Christians look bad. Just another example of not reporting the truth and pushing an agenda.

There is certainly no love lost between the Church and the media. Are there religious leaders speaking out against this wack-job--and just not being covered, or are they just ignoring it and hoping he goes away?

I would hazard to say most on this list are very conservative Christians, and the majority have spoken out strongly against him. Does this attitude not persist to the national religious levels?

[BrianW]

I can't speak as an "independent" Baptist or any other kind, but fwiw, I think "Pastor" Phelps needs to get on his knees and beg forgiveness from God & those that he protests against. Phelps does pull out many sections of the the Law to justify his actions (mostly of the OT), but ignores many writings of the New. Even most of the verses he uses from the NT are used originally by the authors to show how it was impossible for anyone to be saved under the the Law, only through Jesus was it possible.

According to Romans 2:23-28 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift ,through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

& Romans 2:15-16
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. (note "God" judges, not Fred)

GodHatesFags.com is a great slogan for those who seek the attention of this world and wish to "store up treasures on earth", but I guess "GodForgivesSinThroughJesus.com" wouldn't get Phelps his "I'm doing God's work" boasting/media fix he craves.

Matthew 6:19-20
19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven..."

God will judge the secrets of Fred someday, and on that day I believe he will pay for all the pain he is causing.