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    Here you go Jeff. I am sure you will find some way to dispute this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    We were attacked by muslim extremists, but they were not dressed in any particular muslim garb, and you don't have to go back to the civil war to find a bunch of white southern men attacking a black man.

    Reacting to people based on the fact that they appear to be Muslim is evidence of prejudice and the prejudice is unwarranted by the facts (we have, for example, been attacked by a fair number of white Christians, and only a microscopic number of either Christians or Muslims have been involved in terrorist attacks).

    The saving grace, in terms of Juan Williams (but not O'Reilly) is that he was making that exact point. It is one thing to feel nervous as a matter of personal reaction. It is wrong to act on that prejudice in a manner that victimizes people in the absence of evidence that they are doing something wrong. I've never met a person who was prejudiced who did not believe the prejudice was justified.

    You know Jeff, the arguement of being attacked by white christians is getting old. I know you are an atheist, and I don't judge you for that, but you seem to have a bone to pick with christians. The fact of the matter is that white christians aren't walking into open air markets and blowing themselves up. It's not white christians that are driving car bombs into public places and killing innocent people. It's not white christians that have said repeatedly that they want to kill all of us. Its muslims, doesn't matter to me if they call them extremists or not. And if that makes me prejudiced, so be it, and I don't care if I am justified in your or anyone elses eyes or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Jeff
    If you were on a flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison. Would you say to your self mmmm I wonder what he did and why does he keep staring at me.
    Or would you be ho hum and just sit there enjoying the safety pamplet

    Also would you be concerned that there were men carrying guns on board.


    Absurdity puts light on the subject,,, and you can now see that one is an apple and the other is an orange.


    Personalty I could care less if I'm sitting next to a terrorist or not. They to are just fighting for their cause,,,,,, you aren't racist are you

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    Prejudice against Muslims, or any group of people is wrong. How many Muslims are their in the World? How many are killers? How many Christians in the world are their? How many Timothy McVays? How many of those Christians blow up Clinics or show up to church shooting? How many Jim Jones'? Do you hate all Christians because some go nuts and kill people? Prejudice is wrong. It leads to knuckleheads losing control and killing or hurting innocent people. And when journalists, who have the power and responsibility of the microphone, blow it and promote prejudice, they need to be held accountable.
    If PBS had not fired Williams, most of the world would never have known what he said. But to the small community of people who watch Bill ORielly, they got another confirmation and validation that their feeling of prejudice are warranted. PBS stood up and called foul. They did the right thing. Fox should take a lesson. If O'Reilly was held to the same standards, he would have been gone years ago.

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    Deppity,
    The current threat to airlines will dictate what makes a person on edge. Right now when I fly I get nervous when I see someone who appears mideastern. That is no different than the fact that I got that same uneasy feeling flying thru Heathrow in London back in the days of the IRA bombings. Back then I was giving anyone with an Irish accent a doubletake. Was everyone with an Irish acceent a threat? Of course not. Did they demand a second look, YES. It is just a different time and a different threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpholehunter View Post
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    Here you go Jeff. I am sure you will find some way to dispute this.
    15 years back to find a not very good example? How many minutes would you have to go back to find a better example with a Fox News personality (I won't call them reporters)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Jeff
    If you were on a flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison. Would you say to your self mmmm I wonder what he did and why does he keep staring at me.
    Or would you be ho hum and just sit there enjoying the safety pamplet

    Also would you be concerned that there were men carrying guns on board.


    Absurdity puts light on the subject,,, and you can now see that one is an apple and the other is an orange.


    Personalty I could care less if I'm sitting next to a terrorist or not. They to are just fighting for their cause,,,,,, you aren't racist are you

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    Pete,
    There's a big difference between a "flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison" and a flight filled with ordinary travelers who may or may not be Muslim. I have lived with, gone to school with, traveled with, visited, and been related to Muslims for most of my life. Miraculously, as it would seem based on the comments on this forum, none has killed or threatened anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpholehunter View Post
    You know Jeff, the arguement of being attacked by white christians is getting old. I know you are an atheist, and I don't judge you for that, but you seem to have a bone to pick with christians. The fact of the matter is that white christians aren't walking into open air markets and blowing themselves up. It's not white christians that are driving car bombs into public places and killing innocent people. It's not white christians that have said repeatedly that they want to kill all of us. Its muslims, doesn't matter to me if they call them extremists or not. And if that makes me prejudiced, so be it, and I don't care if I am justified in your or anyone elses eyes or not.
    The odds are pretty good that if you are murdered or robbed in this country, it will be by a Christian for the simple reason that Christians outnumber non-Christians and are just as likely to be criminals as anyone else. We don't judge those people based on their religion. When a white Christian walks into a church and kills one or more people for political/religious reasons, we say they are crazy. We don't say they did it because they are Christian even though there are Christian leaders who appear to support the same crazy philosophies espoused by those killers. I think that it right. The Christian religion has nothing to do with the things that crazy people do while claiming to be Christians. And the Muslim religion has nothing to do with the crazy things people do while claiming to be Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    Prejudice against Muslims, or any group of people is wrong. How many Muslims are their in the World? How many are killers? How many Christians in the world are their? How many Timothy McVays? How many of those Christians blow up Clinics or show up to church shooting? How many Jim Jones'? Do you hate all Christians because some go nuts and kill people? Prejudice is wrong. It leads to knuckleheads losing control and killing or hurting innocent people. And when journalists, who have the power and responsibility of the microphone, blow it and promote prejudice, they need to be held accountable.
    If PBS had not fired Williams, most of the world would never have known what he said. But to the small community of people who watch Bill ORielly, they got another confirmation and validation that their feeling of prejudice are warranted. PBS stood up and called foul. They did the right thing. Fox should take a lesson. If O'Reilly was held to the same standards, he would have been gone years ago.
    Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.

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      <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P07/P0737100" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt="prejudice pronunciation" /></a> /ˈprɛdʒədɪs/ Show Spelled [prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
    –noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

    2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

    3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

    4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.

    5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyg View Post
    Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.


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    Certain branches have in recent times killed in the name of their religion. The IRA comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyg View Post
    Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.

    prej·u·dice

      <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P07/P0737100" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt="prejudice pronunciation" /></a> /ˈprɛdʒədɪs/ Show Spelled [prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
    –noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

    2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

    3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

    4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.

    5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.
    I agree with you. And I've stated on this board that I, along with everyone else still breathing, harbors prejudice. But that isn't the point of this thread. The question is, should a journalist, who is entrusted with the power of the microphone, be allowed to air his prejudices for money? Sorry, I think the firing was justified. Look at all the sportscasters that have their careers ended because of prejudicial statements. Personally, I hold Journalists to a higher standard than Sports celebrities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    15 years back to find a not very good example? How many minutes would you have to go back to find a better example with a Fox News personality (I won't call them reporters)?


    Pete,
    There's a big difference between a "flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison" and a flight filled with ordinary travelers who may or may not be Muslim. I have lived with, gone to school with, traveled with, visited, and been related to Muslims for most of my life. Miraculously, as it would seem based on the comments on this forum, none has killed or threatened anyone.


    The odds are pretty good that if you are murdered or robbed in this country, it will be by a Christian for the simple reason that Christians outnumber non-Christians and are just as likely to be criminals as anyone else. We don't judge those people based on their religion. When a white Christian walks into a church and kills one or more people for political/religious reasons, we say they are crazy. We don't say they did it because they are Christian even though there are Christian leaders who appear to support the same crazy philosophies espoused by those killers. I think that it right. The Christian religion has nothing to do with the things that crazy people do while claiming to be Christians. And the Muslim religion has nothing to do with the crazy things people do while claiming to be Muslims.
    Are you kidding me? The Koran is filled with hate and torture, the Bible is NOT! Mohammad was a drug-using pedophile who lived by the sword. Please don't make a stupid statement like the above. You really don't know what you're talking about. All of the Eastern countries are governed by radical Imams, not the presidential figureheads that are on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    I agree with you. And I've stated on this board that I, along with everyone else still breathing, harbors prejudice. But that isn't the point of this thread. The question is, should a journalist, who is entrusted with the power of the microphone, be allowed to air his prejudices for money? Sorry, I think the firing was justified. Look at all the sportscasters that have their careers ended because of prejudicial statements. Personally, I hold Journalists to a higher standard than Sports celebrities.
    He was fired because he's not supposed to air his opinions, only facts. On today's FOX Sunday, there were examples of on-air opinions given by Nina Totenberg and Cokie Roberts, yet they both are still employed by NPR.

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