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    I got this in email from my dad's cousin. He's 72 years old now and had lived in Redford Twp (on the west side) for the last 35 years.


    that appears to be radical, fear type reports and don't pay much attention to them....we hear very little day to day about any such actions or fear like it says in article......yes Detroits outlying areas area mostly in disrepair but there are a lot of areas in the outter areas of Detroit that are in very good condition and people keep them up ....there are also some areas such as just east of where you used to live that has been getting very rough...a lot of deserted homes and burned ones......known as Brightmoor.....not sure if you remember that area....north of the freeway96...east of Telegraph and south of 7 mi.....the largest arab concentration outside of the Arab countrys is located in Dearborn now....but Detroits problems were spiraling downhill for many years....since the riots and the exodus of mostly white Detroiters to the suburbs...it has been downward bound....mostly the schools have been neglected for many years through manipulation of school money away from the city by politicians, etc.(both state and city politicians)......the family unit has disintergrated also in these areas....no one to see that they are doing there homework, etc...or keeping them in line....and not only the blacks are guilty of this...the married family structure seems to be an oddity rather than the norm.....but the area still is more integrated than used to be.....a lot of black familys are moving into the Redford area to escape the Detroit problems...Redford Union now has many blacks attending....the destruction of the economy, and except for Ford,the elimination of so many jobs by the big three, but so many support companies, back alley shops, etc. that were so numerous through this area and through Michigan in general that relied on the Big 3......most of that is gone....so it has been scary in this area for some time now......just think of the many families that relied on those jobs....unbelievable....and like I told Sharon....who knows what one will do to put food on their table or try to keep their house, etc.....I thank God every day for allowing me to live thru the period that I have....so concerned about our kids and grandkids and what they will be living thru....geeez louise.....I better step down from the podium and end this....Our country is changing yes and our area is changing....where the germans, irish, french,etc...came here to better themselves now the mexican, indian, arab, etc. are now establishing areas like the former immigrants did(our ancestors)......and the fear of mexican illegals is a whole other report...ha ha...just in short for many years the farmers, orchards, ranchers relied on the seasonal people to make their big bucks....now look what they are saying....well,,,enough for now....love chuck and sharon.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I think you know I'm from Detroit, I grew up there. My dad was a firefighter there. The downfall of the city more than all other factors combined was I believe the corruption and completely incompetent leadership of Mayor Coleman Young. His goal was America's first all black city. He was going to show the world how it was done.

    The following quote from the article, as far as I'm concerned is total BS. The immigration of Arabs is actually to Dearborn more so than to Detroit, it's the largest Arab population in the world outside of the middle east. This isn't a new development, it's been that way for generations. The most recent arrivals to the are are people who fled Iraq, and a good number of those are folks that cooperated with the Americans in their occupation of Iraq, they are being given refuge here from persecution of those who would kill them and their families for that cooperation. Still, the percentage of the population in the metro area that are of Arab descent is relatively small.
    The entire article is BS. Detroit has problems. As does any city that has lost its industrial base. Although I will say leadership in Detroit has failed pretty badly in solving the major issues they have faced for the last generation. We saw a film last month, Beyond The Motor City" which left the impression of a city in disrepair, having survived a wave of corruption and like I said, the loss of it's major source of income. But it also showed a city mending itself, and solving a lot of problems.
    As for Detroit being a microcosm for America of the 21st century. What a defeatist attitude. It seams there must be more than one America. Cause the one I live in is a much better place than the one often portrayed around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depittydawg View Post
    As for Detroit being a microcosm for America of the 21st century. What a defeatist attitude. It seams there must be more than one America. Cause the one I live in is a much better place than the one often portrayed around here.

    Correct. The view of America here is the same one we hear portrayed on right wing radio, overwhelmingly negative and angry.
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    Detroit is most definitely NOT a microcosm for 21st century America....Detroit had the proverbial "middle finger" up to the other big cities of this country for a long while....in the beginning it was kind of a cool, "pride" thing...we worked harder and got more done, as well as made the country go round with the Big 3 leading the way.....but now, the attitude is different.....the chip on the shoulder still exists, but for all the wrong reasons. It is very difficult to explain the attitude of an entire area (yes people, there are exceptions) to someone who hasn't lived it day to day. It is still very much segregated around here, but not so much by race or ethnicity, but by class, work ethic and educational levels.....and unfortunately the uneducated, lower class, "living off the system" group is the majority in SOME, albeit most areas....and that negative attitude is contagious...it spreads like wildfire....

    The thing that separates Detroit from a lot of other major cities is the AMOUNT of uneducated people, the AMOUNT of corruption, the overall feeling of doom and gloom...I know almost all large cities have struggles, but it seems as though THIS particular city ranks FIRST in the above listed....

    Although, i could just be imagining this and spending too much time in the duck blind....
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    Pete, life for a new immigrant to a country with a different culture and language is always tough. America seems to be hung up with the idea that every new arrival should get off the boat (or plane) speaking fluent English. It has never happened.

    We also have almost a fanatical drive to stamp out non- English wherever it is found. The Native American complain bitterly about having their language taken from them. My mother's family still spoke French (as well as English) after three centuries in North America. My father's family spoke German. In the 1920's, there was a grand crusade in the schools to ban speaking any language but English. A whole generation lost their native languages.

    I tried to learn French as adult. (My high school only taught Latin.) Believe me it was a hard slog. I haven't tackled German although my neighbor, Wolfgang, may help me out.

    This country has nevertheless profited from its cultural diversity. Business ties are particularly enhanced by people able to speak the language. The Navaho code talkers are fine example how the country benefited from a language that was not stamped out. The huge popularity of the various ethnic foods has enhanced our palates.

    Arab-American have contributed immensely to the American cultural experience. I hail from the home county of Amos Jacobs whose stage name was Danny Thomas. He also founded St. Jude's Children's Hospital. ( Doesn't sound like an act of terrorism to me.) Many of us grew up listening to Detroit native, Kamal Amin "Casey" Kasem's American Top 40. Some may listen to the Diane Rehms Show

    We laughed at Jameel Farah's (aka Jamie Farr) antics as Corporal Klinger. Some of you are fans of Paula Abdul, Paul Anka or Frank Zappa.

    Jacques Nasser was CEO of Ford Motor Co. Richard Celeal designed the breakthrough 1949 Ford. Stephen Yokich was president of the UAW. Kinko's founder Paul Orfala is an Arab American. So are J.M. Haggar and the Farrah brothers who founded clothing companies that bear their names.

    A number of Arab Americans have been elected to the US Senate and House. John Sununu, George Mitchel, Spencer Abraham, James Abourezk, and James Abdnor. In the House, Nick Joe Rahall (West Virginia), Ray LaHood (Illinois), Charles Boustany (Louisiana), Darrell Issa (California) to name a few.

    You football fans will recognize Doug Flutie, Bill George, Jeff George and Joe Robbie. B-ball fans are familiar with the Masood brothers. Bobbie Rahall drives very, very fast.

    Arab-Americans like Gen.John Abizaid have served their country with distinction.

    And Rima Fakih is not hard to look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    My perception is time has changed things drastically. We can't go home again. The mindset of people have changed. We can't do what we did even 50 years ago. while the same problems existed 100 years ago,,it was on a very small scale as compared today.

    The indian example really is not applicable. We were the immigrants then . And we destroyed their lives. Just a different perspective.
    I think things are different now and we must change the way we deal with things.

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    Exactly...and the salient point is, we're running out of space, resources and money. Fifty years ago, our resources seemed limitless and Detroit was a nice city. Now we KNOW we don't have unlimited resources to keep welcoming people that refuse to assimilate, are uneducated, pennyless and incapable of taking care of themselves, much less the babies they spawn like rabbits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    James Abdnor.
    I knew Jimmy when he was in HS. Played Guard on our HS BB team, distinctive style, chubby pigeon toed guy coming down the court in those black knee pads they used to wear to prevent burns. BB was a horizontal game in those days.

    The Abdnor's owned one of three grocery stores in a little town of 300 souls. They had purchased it from a a guy who had shot his wife's BF & then turned the gun on himself but only succeeded in permanently blinding himself. The local attorney got Spike off with plea of "this guy has suffered enough & will continue to do so the remainder of his life". I would also note that wives were a chattel in those days. The attorney went on to become the Lt Gov of our little state. I would imagine A.C. had something to do with Jimmy entering politics.

    But the difference was, in those days people were accepted for their willingness to step up & do for themselves, which the Abdnor's did. They were merchants & fit into this little community without asking for something special. We can thank Tom Dashole for running Jimmy out of a seat where he served SD citizens & the nation well!

    But shortly, there will be a 5 para 1K word treatise from our resident know it all how Jimmy was a Jerk & Dashole a saint .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie R. View Post
    Exactly...and the salient point is, we're running out of space, resources and money. Fifty years ago, our resources seemed limitless and Detroit was a nice city. Now we KNOW we don't have unlimited resources to keep welcoming people that refuse to assimilate, are uneducated, pennyless and incapable of taking care of themselves, much less the babies they spawn like rabbits.
    These same remarks were often sited when the Irish, Germans and Italians migrated to America. I think they all 'assimilated' just fine but it took a couple of generations. I don't see much different today. People that were already here were afraid of losing to the newcomers. And in many cases they did. Because immigrants are usually more appreciative and willing to work much harder than those who feel an an entitlement by birthright.
    If you read American history, the enthusiasm and diversity that immigrants bring to America has always been one of our strengths. In fact, it is a major distinction between America and the rest of the world. Today is not much different. I work for an organisation that has a very divers international work force. I hire people almost every week. There is no question, the immigrants are more than competitive with our home grown workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    I knew Jimmy when he was in HS. Played Guard on our HS BB team, distinctive style, chubby pigeon toed guy coming down the court in those black knee pads they used to wear to prevent burns. BB was a horizontal game in those days.

    The Abdnor's owned one of three grocery stores in a little town of 300 souls. They had purchased it from a a guy who had shot his wife's BF & then turned the gun on himself but only succeeded in permanently blinding himself. The local attorney got Spike off with plea of "this guy has suffered enough & will continue to do so the remainder of his life". I would also note that wives were a chattel in those days. The attorney went on to become the Lt Gov of our little state. I would imagine A.C. had something to do with Jimmy entering politics.

    But the difference was, in those days people were accepted for their willingness to step up & do for themselves, which the Abdnor's did. They were merchants & fit into this little community without asking for something special. We can thank Tom Dashole for running Jimmy out of a seat where he served SD citizens & the nation well!

    But shortly, there will be a 5 para 1K word treatise from our resident know it all how Jimmy was a Jerk & Dashole a saint .
    By "running Jimmy out of the seat", you mean, of course, that Daschle was elected by the voters of the state of South Dakota over their one term Republican incumbent. If looking for a villain, you might want to look at his Republican primary opponent who came close to winning the primary because Abdnor was such a weak candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    We can thank Tom Dashole for running Jimmy out of a seat where he served SD citizens & the nation well!

    Ya mean to tell me that the SD voters sat by and let mean old Tom run old Jimmy right out of there? There wasn't an election of something? Had to be those dang indians coming for the feed and getting bribed into voting for the D.
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