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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpholehunter View Post
    Since when do we try POW's in civilian court? Because that's what they are, POW's.
    since we have socialists in charge, thats when

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpholehunter View Post
    Since when do we try POW's in civilian court? Because that's what they are, POW's.
    Exactly Stumpholehunter! So why didn't our commander-in-chief, who sat on these barbarians for most of his 8 year term, DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? Take charge. Be a leader.

    Instead, he sat around and did NOTHING and just passed it off to the next guy, and blame him.


    DG said: since we have socialists in charge, thats when

    See above, AND your own comment about having them for 4.5 years. You had plenty of time to do something, but instead, handed off the ball and took a shower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Exactly Stumpholehunter! So why didn't our commander-in-chief, who sat on these barbarians for most of his 8 year term, DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? Take charge. Be a leader.

    Instead, he sat around and did NOTHING and just passed it off to the next guy, and blame him.


    DG said: since we have socialists in charge, thats when

    See above, AND your own comment about having them for 4.5 years. You had plenty of time to do something, but instead, handed off the ball and took a shower.
    First, I don't think you have heard GWB say anything about Obama or blaming him for the POW's in Gitmo. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

    Second, you don't do anything with POW's until the war is over, typically, right?

    Third, I think Obama decided to try these yahoo's and it has blown up in his face on the first try.

    I never mirandized one POW that I took so how can we try them in civilian court. Soldiers are not police and POW's are not criminals(at least not in the same as a rapist or thief).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Exactly Stumpholehunter! So why didn't our commander-in-chief, who sat on these barbarians for most of his 8 year term, DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? Take charge. Be a leader.

    Instead, he sat around and did NOTHING and just passed it off to the next guy, and blame him.


    DG said: since we have socialists in charge, thats when

    See above, AND your own comment about having them for 4.5 years. You had plenty of time to do something, but instead, handed off the ball and took a shower.

    are you serious? isnt there adifference between a POW and a criminal?

    how many VC did we try on Guam? how many germans did we put on trial, you know - the thousands of german POWs we brought stateside during the war? or japanese? when has this EVER occured before this half-muslim president?

    it was The Half Muslim Apologist and his socialist winkies who came up with the brilliant idea that foreign enemy combatants captured on foreign soil deserve rights under our civilian criminal justice system.

    The Half Muslim Apologist is just showing his true colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david gibson View Post
    are you serious? isnt there adifference between a POW and a criminal?

    how many VC did we try on Guam? how many germans did we put on trial, you know - the thousands of german POWs we brought stateside during the war? or japanese? when has this EVER occured before this half-muslim president?

    it was The Half Muslim Apologist and his socialist winkies who came up with the brilliant idea that foreign enemy combatants captured on foreign soil deserve rights under our civilian criminal justice system.

    The Half Muslim Apologist is just showing his true colors.
    What I'm saying is try them however YOU think is appropriate. Just don't let them sit and pass the job off to the next guy. You had 6 years with many of them. Oops...too late. Time to sell books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpholehunter View Post
    First, I don't think you have heard GWB say anything about Obama or blaming him for the POW's in Gitmo. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. No, but he did pass the ball, rather than run with it.

    Second, you don't do anything with POW's until the war is over, typically, right? According to the last GOP candidate, this war will last 100 years. They'll be dead by then. We have a little nuisance in our Constitution called Habeus corpus.
    Third, I think Obama decided to try these yahoo's and it has blown up in his face on the first try. No argument from me. At least he tried to do SOMETHING, though.

    I never mirandized one POW that I took so how can we try them in civilian court. Soldiers are not police and POW's are not criminals(at least not in the same as a rapist or thief).
    Again, I won't argue with you on that. I would say that this is largely untested ground in many regards. I don't have the expertise to know WHAT should be done.......just that SOMETHING should be done. Maybe the smart play for Obama would be to pull a Bush, let them sit for another two or six years (whichever the case may be) and drop them in the lap of the next republican president.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Again, I won't argue with you on that. I would say that this is largely untested ground in many regards. I don't have the expertise to know WHAT should be done.......just that SOMETHING should be done. Maybe the smart play for Obama would be to pull a Bush, let them sit for another two or six years (whichever the case may be) and drop them in the lap of the next republican president.




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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Just that if Bush did it, or didn't do it, he was wrong!!!


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    Generally speaking, that's a safe bet. But even I will admit the guy did a *few* things right. And I do think he was a decent guy, and would be honored to sit down to dinner with him.

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    Maybe it's just me, but does anybody else remember this ?
    http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declas...ot-guilty.html

    Holder's comments at a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee would seem to turn the criminal justice system on its head. The whole point of a criminal trial is to determine guilt—and if the government fails to make its case beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant walks free.
    At least that's the way the system usually works.

    But pressed today by Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, about what might happen "if, by some one in a million fluke, one of the defendants were acquitted," Holder responded in effect that they won't be released.

    First, he noted, Congress has already barred any Guantánamo detainees from being released inside the United States. But then, pressed again about what would happen "if one of these terrorists" in the future were found not guilty or given a short sentence, Holder agreed that the Justice Department would still retain the authority to lock them up as enemy combatants.

    "I certainly think that under the regime that we are contemplating, the potential for detaining people under the laws of war, we would retain that ability," Holder said.

    So what's the bfd about who is holding/held Ghailani, did/didn't prosecute etc?
    This "regime" (to use Holder's own words) doesn't care about the law & verdicts.
    Guilt or innocence is a moot point to them.
    PBO and his minion have already set themselves (& The US as a whole) up to FAIL no matter what.
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    If Brian's quotations are accurate (I haven't looked them up), then Holder did put his foot in his mouth.

    Now what will they do?

    They did something which didn't turn out as anticipated ... will they flout the law even more egregiously by ignoring a jury verdict? What would be the purpose of more civilian trials like this if the verdict means nothing?

    This was my question from the beginning: were they POWs who could be held until the end of hostilities, or were they civilian criminals?
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