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    Quote Originally Posted by Juli H View Post
    As the state grows - esp in populated areas, we are seeing more and more dependency on the gov't dole. Unfortunately this means more liberal mindset.

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    Or maybe a redefining of the republican mindset....

    The poor democrats have traditionally looked to the gov't for handouts.

    The wealthy republicans have traditionally looked to the gov't for the same.

    Those of us in the middle, pay for both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Or maybe a redefining of the republican mindset....

    The poor democrats have traditionally looked to the gov't for handouts.

    The wealthy republicans have traditionally looked to the gov't for the same.

    Those of us in the middle, pay for both!
    well, I don't know about that... I will agree that both dems and republicans seek money. that which rules the world. LOL....Perhaps it is not so much the money asked for, but how it is used?

    example - one of the tribal gov'ts up here got some of the O stimulus money - can't recall how much, but a good chunk. Part of the money was to be used to put people to work. So, the 'tribal gov't' contacted the store where I work and said they would pay for the store to hire a new employee (pay her wages) ... the conditions were that the new employee would have work for 2 months and 40 hrs a week - and be paid $15/hr (I make $9.50/hr). After the 2 months was up, the store could keep her on at the 'normal' wage or let her go...Imagine how the rest of us felt, knowing she was making almost 2 times as much as we were...And taking hours that we could have had. As it turns out, in 3 months I have been asked to come in and work for her probably 6-8 times...(she gets sick a lot, I guess.)
    Instead of using the money to pay for someone's salary for two months, that money would have been better spent on providing secondary education to someone who would use it to help them become independent of Gov't handouts, IMO.

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    Julie, here's the answer in a 40 second explanation.
    (sorry, couldn't resist...this is one of the best ever)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P79A2...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Out of curiosity, Juli, how did the state of Alaska vote to oust a RINO in the primaries, and then write her back in at the general election? Were the voters duped into voting for Miller in the first place? Or were they duped into thinking he would provide the same amount of pork that Markowski does, and stand by Obama like she does?

    Whatever happened to the old attitude Alaskans used to exude...rugged indiviualism etc. Has the majority gotten on the dole? Do you see your state sliding towards more liberal/socialistic views by the inhabitants? Has there been a large influx of liberals, like in the state of Montana?

    Like I say, just curious.

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    What on earth are you talking about? Alaska ranks #1 in Federal spending per capita.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...earmarks_N.htm

    All that on top of the money that residents receive each year from their share of oil revenues.

    They are number 7 in the number of welfare recipients per capita.

    http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco...nts-per-capita


    Nothing against Alaska. I'm sure the state has it's share of rugged individualists.

    I'm still pretty impressed with my Republican state and the Libertarian spirit of her inhabitants. They vote down a medical marijuana law 70 - 30, while voting in a ban on smoking in public places.

    At least we have John Thune and Kristi Noem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    What on earth are you talking about? Alaska ranks #1 in Federal spending per capita.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...earmarks_N.htm

    All that on top of the money that residents receive each year from their share of oil revenues.

    They are number 7 in the number of welfare recipients per capita.

    http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco...nts-per-capita


    Nothing against Alaska. I'm sure the state has it's share of rugged individualists.

    I'm still pretty impressed with my Republican state and the Libertarian spirit of her inhabitants. They vote down a medical marijuana law 70 - 30, while voting in a ban on smoking in public places.

    At least we have John Thune and Kristi Noem.
    Personally, I strongly disagree with the state's dependency on the federal gov't. I think every state needs to have the ability to take care of it's own..Let the federal gov't do it's part and provide funding for what is written in the constitution. That said, maybe Alaska (and other states) COULD be less dependent on the federal gov't, IF the federal gov't didn't have such a tight hold on the BALLS of industry and their ability to develop natural resources (wisely). Alaska has ABUNDANT natural resources. Enough to take care of itself, if it was allowed to....
    Also - you have to remember just how much of the state of Alaska is OWNED by the federal gov't...very very little is privately owned (and what is, is locked up by native ownership)......the feds have done a pretty damn good job of locking up the resources.

    as for number of AK residents on public assistance - it is PLAIN ASS SCARY...give them housing, give them food, give them money for energy...why get a job? why attempt to improve their situation? why leave? I see the effects of the welfare system EVERY DAY I work at the store. Heck, I know of THREE families who just had or are going to have their 7th or 8th kid...And all three families are on welfare...pretty sure they each get well over 1500/month for food.

    I'd sure like to know more about just HOW much federal money is divied up to rural areas (not on the road system).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juli H View Post
    I think every state needs to have the ability to take care of it's own..Let the federal gov't do it's part and provide funding for what is written in the constitution.
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    I get roiled when I see abuses of the system as much as anyone, but do feel there is a place for gov't assistance in limited doses.

    What is your interpretation of "promote the general welfare", as written in the Constitution. It also says "provide for the common defense" and conservatives have no problem with multi-hundred-billion dollar defense budgets. Why does the "general welfare" not warrant consideration also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I get roiled when I see abuses of the system as much as anyone, but do feel there is a place for gov't assistance in limited doses.

    What is your interpretation of "promote the general welfare", as written in the Constitution. It also says "provide for the common defense" and conservatives have no problem with multi-hundred-billion dollar defense budgets. Why does the "general welfare" not warrant consideration also?
    The problem is the never ending "general welfare" for able bodied folks. BTW, what do you consider "limited doses" for able bodied people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Thomas View Post
    The problem is the never ending "general welfare" for able bodied folks. BTW, what do you consider "limited doses" for able bodied people?
    No. The Probllem is the "General Welfare' doled out to Wall Street. It dwarfs the "General Welfare' doled out to people. Unless you consider Social Security "General Welfare'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Thomas View Post
    The problem is the never ending "general welfare" for able bodied folks. BTW, what do you consider "limited doses" for able bodied people?
    Someone who loses their job to outsourcing, and uses foodstamps or unemployment benefits WHILE SEEKING ANOTHER JOB, and surrenders those benefits when they get work.

    A family who uses housing benefits to get into an AFFORDABLE HOME WHILE LIVING WITHIN THEIR MEANS.

    A person using educational benefits to better themselves and position themselves for higher earning potential, and contribute to our society in a meaningful way.

    All of the above examples yield a net gain for the country in the end. All we hear about are the abuses however, which jeopardize they system for all.

    Its always a risky subject to even mention, but we better start thinking about population control. We made jun of the Chinese for this, but they'll be the ones laughing soon if we don't do something. I've said it before here, I think overpopulation is at the root cause of almost ALL of society's ills. Hell, its getting harder to find good training grounds anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    cant speak for Montana but I would guess its the same thing that is happening in Idaho where they have gotten an influx of left coast Calif libs with a pocketful of cash and start buying up property in resort places like Cour d Alene,Sun Valley or the Ted Turners that go to Montana and buy huge ranches and along with that start flexing their political influence by donating to local politics...even though the long time residents of the state are conservative the carpetbaggers will eventually infiltrate and become a factor almost overnight
    I'd have to disagree with you on this post, Bon.
    Though I can't speak for the southern part of the state, up here in the Panhandle around CDA, it's way more conservatives that are escaping the CA liberal nanny state. People are sick of the Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein mindset as well as the Dem legislature that keeps voting to bust the budget and cater to the illegals. They're tired of "the Governator" and judges that ignore the will of The People like on Prop 8. They've seen that change from within is next to impossible, thanks to the entrenched money like Juli suggested and have voted with their feet and checkbooks. We'd probably have a lot more escapees like my sister-in-law and her husband except that the housing & budget crises has put so many underwater and forced them to deplete savings and retirement plans just to try to save what they have now.

    Yes, we do have our share of libs in the exodus that have tried to turn this into NW CA but most of them only stay about 2-3 years and then leave, mostly when a bad winter comes. Most of us moved up because Idaho is Idaho and want to keep it that way, not to change it to the cesspool that we just struggled out of. Look at the last election, the voters turned out one of the most conservative Dems in the House, elected just 2 years ago. And he even ran on how much he opposed the O/P/R agenda.
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