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Thread: WMD --- It Was All Bush or Was It ?

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    It is all politics to those on the left. Party before nation. Ideology before nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    And I'll rest better knowing you're resting better.

    I did not mean to imply he didn't care. I think he did. I think he regrets listening to the wrong people, and adopting the wrong agenda, and getting mired into a situation, that despite Cheney's bravado and reassurances, we had NO IDEA how to manage or get out of. (as evidence by dramatic policy and strategy changes, and the fact WE'RE STILL THERE)

    I think he was so shielded and removed from the average middle-class American, he had no idea it may be offensive to make fun of the false reason that many Americans have suffered and died when he agreed to that skit. Laughing at a cause for war, when troops are in harm's way, is not very presidential. Especially when you laughing at the fact YOU WERE WRONG.
    you have to be joking. false reason? the wmd magically dissappeared? or even more laughable - saddam did the right thing and got rid of them, but forgot to tell the UN how and why...its a dead horse dude. your hatred for bush is never ending.

    i hope someday you find peace.

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    It is odd that some of the folk (not all) who, when asked about the
    Present TSA groping. Say, “Anything to be safe” are the same folk
    Who, when looking back at the Bush administration leap and scream
    With glee about there never being any WMD’s found. How can
    “Anything to be safe” be alright now, but evil then????????
    Methinks there may be a double standard afoot.






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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    It is all politics to those on the left. Party before nation. Ideology before nation.
    Yup it's only the left... The right has nothing but good intentions.

    http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/20...-very-big-deal

    Few governments will want to deal with Obama on anything that requires congressional approval

    Once the Senate Republicans carry out their threat to block and kill the new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) this year, the United States' ability to conduct foreign policy effectively throughout the world will be significantly weakened.

    The treaty's failure has the obvious consequences of harming relations with Russia and potentially undermining cooperation on Iran, Afghanistan, and securing nuclear materials, and it will make it harder for all foreign governments to take political risks in negotiating future agreements with the United States. In addition to raising doubts about President Barack Obama's ability to win support for accords he has signed, the treaty's fate will show the world that every administration initiative, no matter what it is, will be subjected to constant opposition for narrow political ends. Contrary to most expectations, the recent midterm election results have not just had some impact on U.S. foreign policy, but are immediately having an outsized, disruptive effect that seems likely to increase during the next two years.

    Many foreign governments may decide that it is better to wait until after the next election before entering into serious negotiations with America over anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Yup it's only the left... The right has nothing but good intentions.

    http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/20...-very-big-deal
    you are assuming the reason is political. how about it may be bad policy for the United States?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Yeah. Look at the dates on half of them. Was 1998 the same situation as 2004?
    What year did Sadaam gas the Kurds ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc E View Post
    What year did Sadaam gas the Kurds ?



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    Bush was responsible for more Iraqi citizens deaths than Sadaam was accused of killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    Bush was responsible for more Iraqi citizens deaths than Sadaam was accused of killing.
    How is it possible to know the number he would have killed, if left alone?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    How is it possible to know the number he would have killed, if left alone?




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    It's BUSH'S fault!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    you are assuming the reason is political. how about it may be bad policy for the United States?
    Nope, it's not political at all... In reality it's probably a neocon thing. Do you line up behind Colin Powell or John Bolton?

    http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2...th_start_t.php



    GOP Playing Games With START Treaty
    Posted on: November 29, 2010 9:34 AM, by Ed Brayton

    Every single living Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense and National Security Adviser, including Henry Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft, agrees that the new START treaty negotiated between the United States and Russia is crucial for our national security. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says the passage of the treaty is urgent. For crying out loud, even Pat Buchanan says that the GOP is risking another cold war by holding up the treaty.

    The treaty puts back in place a verification regime for nuclear weapons that expired last year and reduces the risks of nuclear proliferation. It reduces the number of nuclear warheads for each country to 1,550 -- more than enough to blow up the world many times over.

    But the Republicans are balking at the deal, even though their own experts say the treaty is vital. They're playing games with this despite the fact that delay only hurts the nation's standing with allies around the world.

    "It would be a serious problem if the Senate does not approve the treaty," said John B. Bellinger III, a legal adviser to the State Department and the National Security Council during President George W. Bush's administration. "You can certainly understand that every other country in the world, and particularly major powers like China, the next time they are in negotiations with the United States -- this will hurt us if they think our negotiators can't make good on their word."
    But the GOP doesn't care. This is all about denying Obama a foreign policy victory, no matter what the cost. Remember McCain's "Country First" theme? It was a lie.
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