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    Amazon yesterday pulled Wikileaks from it's servers after they were contacted by Sen Joe Lieberman. Sen Lieberman is chairman of the Homeland Securtiy committee.

    Lieberman said: "[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organization that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

    To me this sounds alarm bells and sends up red flags in a big way. When the government can dictate to some private company what web sites it should host I think we should all be concerned. It is somewhat similiar to what we see China doing when something comes across the internet that they don't like and don't want the citizenry to know about.

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    I believe some of the material is still classified. It is illegal for a United States citizen to posses material they have not been cleared to view. Just because it has been released does not reduce or eliminate the classification by law.
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    Article [I.]
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Article [II.]
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    Amazon yesterday pulled Wikileaks from it's servers after they were contacted by Sen Joe Lieberman. Sen Lieberman is chairman of the Homeland Securtiy committee.

    Lieberman said: "[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organization that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

    To me this sounds alarm bells and sends up red flags in a big way. When the government can dictate to some private company what web sites it should host I think we should all be concerned. It is somewhat similiar to what we see China doing when something comes across the internet that they don't like and don't want the citizenry to know about.
    Funny, nary a word was spoken about this when these leaks were making Bush look bad, but now...............the plot thickens!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Funny, nary a word was spoken about this when these leaks were making Bush look bad, but now...............the plot thickens!!


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    It is not a matter of making President Bush or President Obama look bad, it is a matter of making AMERICA look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    It is illegal for a United States citizen to posses material they have not been cleared to view.
    Executive Order 13526, Section 1.7.(a) states is illegal for the United States of America to classify information for the sole purpose of avoiding embarrassment.

    Slippery Slope Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    It is not a matter of making President Bush or President Obama look bad, it is a matter of making AMERICA look bad.

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    To you, perhaps, but not to all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Funny, nary a word was spoken about this when these leaks were making Bush look bad, but now...............the plot thickens!!


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    Not sure what you might be referencing but my point is that when government restricts speech this is something to be alarmed about, besides I know you might find it hard to believe but I actually voted for Bush..................2 times

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    Not sure what you might be referencing but my point is that when government restricts speech this is something to be alarmed about, besides I know you might find it hard to believe but I actually voted for Bush..................2 times
    There is more to this story.
    Not sure why the uproar about this based on what little I have read.

    Can't wait to see the "more!"

    BTW--I am with you on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    To you, perhaps, but not to all.


    RK
    Really?

    So if I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it better to smear the United States than a past of sitting President? Or are you suggesting that it is ok to smear the United States AND the sitting President as long as the past President isn't smeared?

    Interesting Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    Really?

    So if I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it better to smear the United States than a past of sitting President? Or are you suggesting that it is ok to smear the United States AND the sitting President as long as the past President isn't smeared?

    Interesting Regards,

    Joe S.
    What profound cognitive skills.

    No, that is not what I am suggesting Joe.


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