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    I don't think you have to be a jerk to esablish dominance. Being authoritative does not translate to being a jerk. In fact, I think the 'good ones' are able to be 'polite' and 'authoritative' at the same time. I recall getting a speeding ticket a few yrs ago and the trooper was nothing but polite...business-like, but polite. The only speeding ticket I ever got, unless you count the one I got in Canada - but I don't, since they go by km/h. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david gibson View Post
    i just asked my brother abouit this comment, he is a 30+ yr cop and now police chief of a force of 38.

    i wont print his answer. suffice it to say his opinion of the author is about the same as mine.
    That proves my point exactly. Somehow I figured your ilk would take to a badge, gun, and profanity. You were a bouncer? Seems your clan enjoys bullying people. Never would have guess that from what we see here! I will steer clear of his juristiction. And I was quoting a friend on the State Trooper force, so your brothers' opinion is about a fellow officer, not me.

    Julie, I agree. My dealings with the Pa State Troopers have always been professional. I guess their comments (not mine) have to be taken in the context that many of the people they deal with set the tone for the encounter. I've been stopped probably a dozen times, and have never been written up, except once, probably in part because I am courteous and respectful. The one ticket I did get was easily defeated in court, and the officer is known to have issues. (keeping our sidewalks safe from grandmothers walking with their grandchildren!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    That proves my point exactly. Somehow I figured your ilk would take to a badge, gun, and profanity. You were a bouncer? Seems your clan enjoys bullying people. Never would have guess that from what we see here! I will steer clear of his juristiction. And I was quoting a friend on the State Trooper force, so your brothers' opinion is about a fellow officer, not me.

    Julie, I agree. My dealings with the Pa State Troopers have always been professional. I guess their comments (not mine) have to be taken in the context that many of the people they deal with set the tone for the encounter. I've been stopped probably a dozen times, and have never been written up, except once, probably in part because I am courteous and respectful. The one ticket I did get was easily defeated in court, and the officer is known to have issues. (keeping our sidewalks safe from grandmothers walking with their grandchildren!)
    sigh.....there you go again. you just never know which direction is the high road, do you? i have never known a cop who was a jerk because it gave them "authority". bouncing was the same. you win far more often and far more peacefully as a nice guy than you do being a jerk. 4 yrs as a bouncer and never charges filed and never retaliated against pretty much speaks for itself.

    nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david gibson View Post
    sigh.....there you go again. you just never know which direction is the high road, do you? i have never known a cop who was a jerk because it gave them "authority". bouncing was the same. you win far more often and far more peacefully as a nice guy than you do being a jerk. 4 yrs as a bouncer and never charges filed and never retaliated against pretty much speaks for itself.

    nice try though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david gibson View Post
    sigh.....there you go again. you just never know which direction is the high road, do you? i have never known a cop who was a jerk because it gave them "authority". bouncing was the same. you win far more often and far more peacefully as a nice guy than you do being a jerk. 4 yrs as a bouncer and never charges filed and never retaliated against pretty much speaks for itself.

    nice try though.
    LMAO!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I'm not tied up at all. You're the one who is amazed.
    I have several friends who are cops, and have befriended most of the cops around here through my work in the ER. And almost all of them admit they are real jerks when dealing with the public! Its how they establish dominance. Relax, I'm just having fun too. Hopefully, I didn't offend a G-man?? Agent 0046? Sorry.
    My son-in -law is a police officer and I assure you nothing is further from the truth.

    Tell me. Did you leave Texas or get run off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    My son-in -law is a police officer and I assure you nothing is further from the truth.

    Tell me. Did you leave Texas or get run off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    That proves my point exactly. Somehow I figured your ilk would take to a badge, gun, and profanity.
    Where's the profanity you refer to? If your kids are off limits and it really chaps your ass when someone brings them up, what gives you the right to trash DG's brother for no reason at all? DG stated that his brother is a veteran police officer that is now chief and from that info, you deem him 'ilk', a bully and a bad cop that uses excessive profanity. Where did you get all that?

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    Jmtc, but a lot of the "jerk" mentality stems from the members of the public the cops have to primarily deal with.
    When I lived in L.A. many the cops I had off duty dealings with had the "us vs them" attitude; ie "There's cops, cop's families, and scum". That's a quote from a 25 year LAPD veteran.

    Imo, if you're not carrying then there's no reason to bring the permit into play. One KCSD deputy I spoke to while an EMT told me that (in his view) if you're open & up front about weapon status, you're likely ok on other issues that may come up during a stop. If you're hiding the fact, or they have to draw it out of you, you've probably got something else at issue and he adjusts accordingly. .
    Personally, I keep my CWP right behind my driver's license and remove them simultaneously if pulled over and requested along with registration and proof of insurance, haven't had any hassles up here. They've asked what & where the weapon is and that's been it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Thats a nice story, but why in the world would you bait getting hassled by giving a cop your CWP?? The C stands for concealed, and he has no business knowing about it during a routine traffic stop. I keep it my business, unless he specifically asks.
    I have a CWP and one of the first things one learns in the 8 hour class required to get one is that if one is stopped by any Law Enforcement Officer that it is your responsibility to immediatly inform them that you are carrying a concealed weapon by showing them your permit.
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