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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I think the question is: Do you have an expectation of privacy driving down a public road with your license place hanging off your bumper?

    I doubt it.

    Where was this concern with warrantless wiretapping and email surveillance?
    My phone and email are two areas where I DO expect some privacy. (but I don't count on it anymore
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    I thought we were talking about the license plate scanning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I thought we were talking about the license plate scanning.



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    I thought we were talking about government intrusion into our privacy, in the broader sense.

    I don't like it either, but driving on a public road, I don't have an expectation of privacy, other than IN my vehicle or on my person. (or on my cell phone)

    You do realize, you've probably had your plates run many times, and just don't know it, don't you? This is the same principle, different technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I thought we were talking about government intrusion into our privacy, in the broader sense.

    I don't like it either, but driving on a public road, I don't have an expectation of privacy, other than IN my vehicle or on my person. (or on my cell phone)

    You do realize, you've probably had your plates run many times, and just don't know it, don't you? This is the same principle, different technology.
    It has gone beyond driving down a public road. Now they are doing it in business parking lots. Why the hell do they need to know when I go to Target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I thought we were talking about government intrusion into our privacy, in the broader sense.

    I don't like it either, but driving on a public road, I don't have an expectation of privacy, other than IN my vehicle or on my person. (or on my cell phone)

    You do realize, you've probably had your plates run many times, and just don't know it, don't you? This is the same principle, different technology.
    Wal-Mart and Target parking lots are private property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    It has gone beyond driving down a public road. Now they are doing it in business parking lots. Why the hell do they need to know when I go to Target.
    It is not actually the police who are doing this surveillance, rather it is the loss control company at the malls and shopping centers. They are looking primarily for stolen cars, as the car thiefs also tend to like to do purse snatching, and smash and grabs from vehicles in the parking lot - stolen car not as easy to trace back to the thieves if someone does happen to get a good description. However if loss prevention can id a car as stolen as they drive into the parking lot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I really wonder how many times, on an average day, we are tracked in some way by the government
    do you have a Google account, or an Amazon account, notice how the choices on Google News or the choices on Amazon are based on the sites and type of info that you surf on the net..look at the cookies that are stored in our computers...our habits on the computer are very easy to track...hmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I really wonder how many times, on an average day, we are tracked in some way by the government

    I think that would depend upon where you live. pretty sure we don't have any hidden cameras or license plate scanners in Tok. LOL heck, we don't even have a stop light. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudd View Post
    Wal-Mart and Target parking lots are private property.
    Legally yes. But a road or parking lot, same idea. Look, I don't like it, but it ain't going away. Phone taps, computer profiling, email interdiction, security cameras..... Its all part of the 911 mentality, when we really started giving up privacy and rights in the name of security. Didn't like it then, don't like it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Legally yes. But a road or parking lot, same idea. Look, I don't like it, but it ain't going away. Phone taps, computer profiling, email interdiction, security cameras..... Its all part of the 911 mentality, when we really started giving up privacy and rights in the name of security. Didn't like it then, don't like it now.

    We live in Oceania now.

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    Until we as a society decide to give up some safety for privacy this mentality will continue in this country. The security industry has a huge interest in this and consequently their main message is to promote fear and uncertainty so people will become subservient to their wishes.
    Unfortunately the terrorists have won a huge battle when it comes to having Americans living in fear. Since 9/11 we have changed so many laws(Patriot Act) in the name of security that we have now become desensitized to what freedom really means. Freedom and liberty have cost's and we should think twice before we so willingly give those up.

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