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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    I found this copy of the interview with Gov. Abercrombie by the Honolulu Star Advertiser:

    “Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

    A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
    (Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

    It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

    ...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

    If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.”

    I don’t see how WND drew all their conclusions based on this interview. They also failed to mention the Governor’s previous comments:

    "It's an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that," Abercrombie told the Times. "It's an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office."

    Abercombie was quoted by the Chicago Tribune as saying, "What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," he said. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

    I wonder why they left that out. It seems WND is the one with the political agenda.
    Blackstone, I've told you before, quit confusing the "brilliant birthers" with facts; they aren't interested in that.
    Do you have anything sparkly with flashing lights that makes noise? I suspect that will keep them fascinated and distracted for a real long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    It just occurred to me....

    Juxtapose the level of proof that the birthers are demanding of Obama's residence of birth, to the level of proof they gladly accepted of Bush actually showing up for reserve military duty..... Kind of ironic, isn't it?
    Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


    Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


    Never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Blackstone, I've told you before, quit confusing the "brilliant birthers" with facts; they aren't interested in that.
    [B]Do you have anything sparkly with flashing lights that makes noise[/B]?(Wouldn't that be you??) I suspect that will keep them fascinated and distracted for a real long time.

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    Delightful post, lot's of insight into your mind set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    It just occurred to me....

    Juxtapose the level of proof that the birthers are demanding of Obama's residence of birth, to the level of proof they gladly accepted of Bush actually showing up for reserve military duty..... Kind of ironic, isn't it?
    I think you are confused.....wasn't it YOU that swallowed Dan Rathers NEWS???


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    Quote Originally Posted by dixidawg View Post
    Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


    Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


    Never mind
    I can tell you've never been in the military. They tend to frown upon troops not showing up for assigned duty. Then really frown upon missing medical exams, especially when there's drug testing involved. But never mind. I just brought this up in comparison to the level of proof that is needed to satisfy birthers, versus what satisfied them with their boy. Just a little double-standard, that's all.

    I'm not sure why you bring up the Constitution. There is absolutely NO requirement to have served. That is a non-sequitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixidawg View Post
    Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


    Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


    Never mind
    Where in the Constitution does it require military service of any kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Where in the Constitution does it require military service of any kind?

    That was my point....it doesn't.

    However it does require a natural born citizen.

    Would kinda hope that the level of scrutiny would be a bit different.....

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    HMMM, fathers race African. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    I remember someone posting a copy of the this document as verified by FactCheck.org, bearing the raised seal and the stamped signature of Hawaii state Registrar. I'm sure with a little effort, you can find that copy on the internet.

    The fact is, no matter how compelling the proof is that is offered, there will still be those that refuse to believe it.
    Would this be the one?
    Born in the U.S.A.
    August 21, 2008
    Updated: November 1, 2008
    The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
    Summary
    In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

    We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

    Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Analysis
    Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.


    Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
    Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."
    Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."



    Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.
    Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?
    Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?
    Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.
    Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?
    Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.
    Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:
    • The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
    • It isn't signed.
    • No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
    • In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
    • The certificate number is blacked out.
    • The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
    • The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."
    Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


    The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


    Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp

    The raised seal

    Blowup of text

    You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.



    We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html


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    You would think THAT would put the issue to rest.

    But...rest assured, the discussion will just move on to something else just as insane.

    Perhaps we can question the statehood of Hawaii, under ancient tribal polynesian law, we probably didn't have the proper coconuts in a row, and therefore, he is still not eligible to be president, even though he was hatched on Admiral Cook's Island??
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