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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Where did you hear that BS?
    Just every news outlet and auto forum...oh, and Ford's official website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Just every news outlet and auto forum...oh, and Ford's official website.
    Gotta link?
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    Do you really need spoonfed www.ford.com??

    Or how to google "ford auto off technology"??

    It only got 79,600,000 hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Put that in your BONG and smoke it RP!!!

    Oh....and how is this good for my country???

    Wait, maybe 1,000 less illegals????



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    How about a Dallas "FIX"? Works for me!

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    I have not checked the accuracy of this, but it sounds good, anyway.
    Recently, the city of Dallas, Texas passed a ďNo InsuranceĒ ordinance: if you have no car insurance, your car will be towed.


    To retrieve your car, you must show proof of insurance, pay for the tow, a $350 fine, and $20 for each day the car is in the lot.


    After the ordinance was passed, the impound lots were full after nine days. Most of those cars were driven by illegals. Not only are more uninsured drivers off the road, but it is taking away the illegalís vehicle who wonít pay for accidents or might endanger your life.

    Dallasí Solution:

    Get them off the road WITHOUT making them show proof of nationality.

    Wonder how the ACLU or the Justice Department will get around this one.


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    FWIW, remember this 'oldie-but-goodie'???

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    Clunker math

    The person who calculated this bit of information went to high school in Pittsburgh , Pa. He is now & has been a professor at The University of West Virginia in Morgantown , West Virginia for the last forty-some years.


    A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.



    A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.

    So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

    They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.

    That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

    5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.

    More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars.

    So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.


    We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved.

    I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with our health care, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Put that in your BONG and smoke it RP!!!

    Oh....and how is this good for my country???

    Wait, maybe 1,000 less illegals????



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    That is an investment in an existing plant in Ramos, Mexico. GM has been producing vehicles there for years. GM is not moving jobs from the U.S. to Mexico, the added investment is for the production of 2 new engines that were not previously produced anywhere.

    Stories like this are sensationalized and serves to rile people up. I wonder why they didnít publish the story about GM re-opening its Orion, MI plant to build the new Chevrolet Sonic, and the additional $145 mil. they invested for additional tooling to build the new Buick Verano there as well. That plant will put 1,500 Americans to work, 1,100 of whom had been laid off. Or, what about the $43 mil. GM invested in the new plant in Brownstown Township, MI that will build the battery for the new Chevy Volt and future electric vehicles? It will only employ 100 right now, but that is 100 more new U.S. jobs.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/bu...ubcompact.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    FWIW, remember this 'oldie-but-goodie'???

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    Old, but not really that good.

    The problem with faulty math:

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Clunker math

    The person who calculated this bit of information went to high school in Pittsburgh , Pa. He is now & has been a professor at The University of West Virginia in Morgantown , West Virginia for the last forty-some years.


    A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.



    A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.

    So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

    They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.

    That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
    Actually, 224 million gallons of gas equates to about 11.2 million barrels of oil (a barrel of oil only makes about 20 gallons of gas).

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.

    More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars.

    So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
    We all know oil is about $89 per barrel now, and likely to remain higher than $70/barrel for the foreseeable future.

    So, even if oil is $80 per barrel, that’s $880 million PER YEAR. It would only take 4 years to exceed the $3 billion that was spent. After year 4, its all savings.

    However, the goal was not to save money. It was to reduce our dependency on oil, which it did by almost 11 million barrels per year. But, if you want to look at savings, 480 gallons of gas per year will save each car buyer about $1,440 per year (with gas at $3 per gallon like it is now). That would certainly increase discretionary income. That’s money they can spend on goods and services that could stimulate the economy, which was the other goal of the program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    Old, but not really that good.

    The problem with faulty math:



    Actually, 224 million gallons of gas equates to about 11.2 million barrels of oil (a barrel of oil only makes about 20 gallons of gas).

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    WOW!!
    Those oil companys sure are mighty charitable.
    A barrell of oil costs $90 and makes 20 gallons that is $4.50/gallon.

    And I can buy it for less than $3/gallon after transportation, refinery and taxes.

    I've got to call me broker and tell him to divest me of all oil stocks ASAP

    Funny math is as Funny math does regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Do you really need spoonfed www.ford.com??

    Or how to google "ford auto off technology"??

    It only got 79,600,000 hits.
    All I asked for was a link, not your condescending tripe. It's not unusual to provide conformation of data especially when you consider the source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    WOW!!
    Those oil companys sure are mighty charitable.
    A barrell of oil costs $90 and makes 20 gallons that is $4.50/gallon.

    And I can buy it for less than $3/gallon after transportation, refinery and taxes.

    I've got to call me broker and tell him to divest me of all oil stocks ASAP

    Funny math is as Funny math does regards
    Not really. If you put the right numbers in, you get the right numbers out.

    There are 42 gallons of crude in a barrel of oil. You get about 19 - 20 gallons of gasoline, about 10 gallons of diesel fuel, 4 gallons of jet fuels, and about 7 gallons go to make other petroleum based products. The rest goes to make heating oil and other heavy fuel. You actually get about 44 gallons worth of petroleum products from a 42 gallon barrel of crude. Iím not sure how that works, but it does. Donít worry about the oil companies, theyíre making plenty.

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