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    Senior Member Ken Bora's Avatar
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    Subject: THIS MAY MAKE YOUR DAY!

    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to
    the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very
    carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping
    some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and
    require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would
    become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
    unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only
    the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate
    to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the
    Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by
    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states
    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of
    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously
    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."

    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to
    arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation
    that may arise."

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required
    to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's
    license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government
    interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they
    be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the
    least restrictive laws of any state ... it's currently the only state
    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
    This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has
    resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
    system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay
    taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.
    Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
    Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect
    them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!






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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    Subject: THIS MAY MAKE YOUR DAY!

    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to
    the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very
    carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping
    some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and
    require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would
    become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
    unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only
    the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate
    to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the
    Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by
    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states
    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of
    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously
    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."

    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to
    arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation
    that may arise."

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required
    to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's
    license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government
    interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they
    be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the
    least restrictive laws of any state ... it's currently the only state
    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
    This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has
    resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
    system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay
    taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.
    Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
    Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect
    them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!






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    This makes way too much sense ......... LOL
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    Make a lot of sense!! LOVE IT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    Subject: THIS MAY MAKE YOUR DAY!

    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to
    the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very
    carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping
    some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and
    require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would
    become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
    unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only
    the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate
    to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the
    Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by
    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states
    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of
    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously
    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent.."

    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to
    arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation
    that may arise."

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required
    to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's
    license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government
    interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they
    be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the
    least restrictive laws of any state ... it's currently the only state
    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
    This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has
    resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
    system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay
    taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.
    Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
    Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect
    them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!






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    Mr Ken,
    Those very same people can't even register TO vote.


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    Great concept but the enforcement would have to be privacy intrusive, to prevent liars and cheats.
    Would there be checkpoints to ensure one is carrying?!?
    Databases of property owners vs reg'd NGO's ?

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    Ken where was this posted I was trying to find the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Glavich View Post
    Ken where was this posted I was trying to find the article.
    there are quite a few as he has reintroduced off and on for 10 years. He is no longer a rep. He served two terms.
    Here is a Boston Globe one- http://www.myteacherpages.com/webpag...out%20Guns.doc

    but just google his name.
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