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    Quote Originally Posted by Granddaddy View Post
    Just the known reserves off the east coast are estimated at 30yrs+ reserves. The known reserves in Alaska are even higher & in Alaska, exploration has been very limited, therefore the potential reserves are much higher. Reserves in the Rocky Mtns from shale are estimated to be higher than our off-shore reserves. In addition our natural gas & coal reserves represent some of the highest in the world.
    The question is, do we want to continue to go down that road or move to cleaner more sustainable sources of energy. I am not advocating eliminating the use of oil all at once, but IMO we need to start weaning ourselves off of oil consumption, and start developing alternatives.

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    Nothing but politics has kept us from being fuel source independent. The radical environmentalists, the multi-national oil companies and the politicians have formed an unholy alliance when it comes to fuel source(s) limitations. The environmentalists don't want any fossil fuels used dispite clean technologies. The multi-national oil companies want the best return on their investments which is fostered by limiting supplies (higher prices). The politicians are funded by both of the noted groups and are therefore influenced to limit supply.

    And, of course, nuclear power, is both the cleanest and cheapest of all power sources but our government won't license new power plants. The result is that politics and propaganda have us wringing our hands that we don't have long term power sources.
    I have to agree with you. There is a lot of money being made by the multi-national oil companies. Politicians are lining their pockets with oil lobby money by keeping us dependent on oil, so there is no incentive for them to develop an energy policy that doesn’t center around oil. That is also the reason we don’t have more nuclear power plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Actually I watched a bit of Glen Beck today.

    HOLY MACKEREL! That guy is totally paranoid delusional!
    This Egyptian uprising is a conspiracy between Obama, Hardline Russian communists, and extreme Muslims!
    Remember this post Dave?
    Even "The Nation" & the NY Times seem to agree with Beck now, that there has definitely been "an organized methodology" behind the supposed "spontaneity" in Cairo. Or are they totally paranoid delusionals now as well?
    Who's Behind Egypt's Revolt?

    Who’s behind the Egyptian revolution?

    It’s spontaneous, yes, triggered by the explosion in Tunisia. But contrary to some media reports, which have portrayed the upsurge in Egypt as a leaderless rebellion, a fairly well organized movement is emerging to take charge, comprising students, labor activists, lawyers, a network of intellectuals, Egypt’s Islamists, a handful of political parties and miscellaneous advocates for “change.” And it’s possible, but not at all certain, ,that the nominal leadership of the revolution could fall to Mohammad ElBaradei the former chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who returned to Egypt last year to challenge President Mubarak and who founded the National Association for Change.

    From the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/wo...0revolt&st=cse
    Wired and Shrewd, Young Egyptians Guide Revolt

    Yet they brought a sophistication and professionalism to their cause — exploiting the anonymity of the Internet to elude the secret police, planting false rumors to fool police spies, staging “field tests” in Cairo slums before laying out their battle plans, then planning a weekly protest schedule to save their firepower — that helps explain the surprising resilience of the uprising they began.
    In the process many have formed some unusual bonds that reflect the singularly nonideological character of the Egyptian youth revolt, which encompasses liberals, socialists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    “I like the Brotherhood most,
    and they like me,” said Sally Moore, a 32-year-old psychiatrist, a Coptic Christian and an avowed leftist and feminist of mixed Irish-Egyptian roots. “They always have a hidden agenda, we know, and you never know when power comes how they will behave. But they are very good with organizing, they are calling for a civil state just like everyone else, so let them have a political party just like everyone else — they will not win more than 10 percent, I think.”

    Many in the circle, in fact, met during their university days. Islam Lotfi, a lawyer who is a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood Youth, said his group used to enlist others from the tiny leftist parties to stand with them in calling for civil liberties, to make their cause seem more universal. Many are now allies in the revolt, including Zyad el-Elaimy, a 30-year-old lawyer who was then the leader of a communist group.
    Mr. Elaimy, who was imprisoned four times and suffered multiple broken limbs from torture for his political work, now works as an assistant to Mohamed ElBaradei, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work with the International Atomic Energy Agency. In turn, his group built ties to other young organizers like Ms. Moore.

    the International Crisis Group, http://www.crisisgroup.org/ led by George Soros, has long petitioned for the Egyptian government to normalize ties with theMuslim Brotherhood. The ICG also produced a report urging the Egyptian regime to allow the Brotherhood to establish an Islamist political party. ,

Included on the ICG board is none other than Egyptian opposition leader ElBaradei as well as other personalities who champion dialogue with Hamas. 

U.S. board members include Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was national security adviser to Jimmy Carter; Samuel Berger, who was Bill Clinton's national security adviser; and retired U.S. ambassador Thomas Pickering, who made headlines in 2009 after meeting with Hamas leaders and calling for the U.S. to open ties to the Islamist group. 

Another ICG member is Robert Malley, a former adviser to Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign. He resigned after it was exposed he had communicated with Hamas.

    intransitive verb
    a : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement <accused of conspiring to overthrow the government> b : scheme

    : to act in harmony toward a common end <circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts>

    I really don't care how you feel one way or the other about Glenn Beck, but do you still want to say there was no "conspiracy"?
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