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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    Way to inflate the figures.

    The Iraq was has cost to date aprox 770 billion. Just like you to inflate the figures to back your argument. The numbers you are using figure in the temp. rise in oil as well as the financial crisis and anything else that the Washington Post thought was related to it in some fashion. Those figures are a joke to add in.

    http://costofwar.com/en/
    Does your figure take into account the on-going long-term care to the thousands of veterans with permanent disabilities? Didn't think so.

    Besides, let me concede that number, and we'll use YOURS.

    $770 billion and 4000+ American troop's lives.....

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    The unstated implication (imo) was that, by this guy saying "I made the whole thing up", the WMD's were never there.

    By analogy, if one has demonstrated a proven past history of spousal abuse, a current allegation is likely to be taken much more seriously, even if/when the current one turns out to be fabricated for whatever reason.
    In addition, one who has demonstrated WMD use on his own country and a neighboring one would logically be considered a major threat to use them again.

    The emperor has been shown to be naked underneath now, but he had clothes (WMD's) at one time. RK & I merely pointed that out. The resistance to the inspections made it all the more likely that they were stashed away in a closet somewhere.

    That this guy thinks he is a hero and an example to his sons by being a good liar is indeed a sad comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Does your figure take into account the on-going long-term care to the thousands of veterans with permanent disabilities? Didn't think so.

    Besides, let me concede that number, and we'll use YOURS.

    $770 billion and 4000+ American troop's lives.....

    Feel better?
    Thanks, as a matter of fact I do feel better. Just trying to keep you honest. I get tired of reading your exaggerations. War is expensive enough.

    Long term health care is expected to be 300-700 billion (quite a range)

    Even including long term care your figure is still exaggerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    Thanks, as a matter of fact I do feel better. Just trying to keep you honest. I get tired of reading your exaggerations. War is expensive enough.

    Long term health care is expected to be 300-700 billion (quite a range)

    Even including long term care your figure is still exaggerated.
    But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090302200.html

    Just so you know its not just me making up numbers, others also came up with these numbers. I'm sure the source will be attacked, and I don't defend it...just showing there is a wide range of estimates, that encompass the numbers I put up.

    Edit: I hope we can agree at least that it was a GIAGANTIC waste of our treasury and a tragic loss of American lives, all based on lies and pi$$ poor planning even once the decision was made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090302200.html

    Just so you know its not just me making up numbers, others also came up with these numbers. I'm sure the source will be attacked, and I don't defend it...just showing there is a wide range of estimates, that encompass the numbers I put up.

    Edit: I hope we can agree at least that it was a GIAGANTIC waste of our treasury and a tragic loss of American lives, all based on lies and pi$$ poor planning even once the decision was made.

    Your constant bashing of Bush, even in a backassward way as this view of the destruction of the Hussein regime, is as typical un-American as burning the flag.

    Has it ever occurred to your airheaded thinking of what we might be facing at this time, were there a Saddam Hussein to be dealt with along with all the rest of the middle east antagonists?

    The lack of WMD's is a non sequitur in the big picture of the Iraq war...it only is fodder for the small minds that just can't imagine how all their leadership was duped into that belief, and I don't mean the Bush folks.

    How often do you need to be reminded of the entire liberal establishment that was absolutely positive those WMDs existed, along with the majority of the UN, not to mention the majority of the Kurd nation that lost millions already to that madman's WMDs.

    Just for S & G's, try donning your military outfit as a 'uniform', rather than a 'costume', and attempt to take a little pride in your nation, rather than putting it down every chance you can. I realize you are just following your President's lead, but realize there is an entire movement of TEA Partiers that feel we don't need to apologize for what this nation stands for, and we are getting pissed at all you liberal/socialists that continue to put up with this POTUS that keeps bowing to our enemies, and ignoring our friends. His sham oligarchy is going down. Time to choose sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090302200.html

    Just so you know its not just me making up numbers, others also came up with these numbers. I'm sure the source will be attacked, and I don't defend it...just showing there is a wide range of estimates, that encompass the numbers I put up.

    Edit: I hope we can agree at least that it was a GIAGANTIC waste of our treasury and a tragic loss of American lives, all based on lies and pi$$ poor planning even once the decision was made.

    I cited your source even before you did.

    The Washington post's source was including the financial crisis and housing collapse. They are really stretching.

    You can spin this anyway you would like but it is real hard to get to 3 trillion.

    When I come to you for a surgical procedure and ask what the cost is, does your price include my transportation to your office, the fact that I may or may not be out of work for a couple of weeks, the future rise in my health care premiums, or the possibility that I may contract MRSA and all medical expenses involved in that.

    NO!

    That is exactly what your source is trying to do- take into the account all future costs that may or may not exist as well as every economic calamity in the past 8 years.

    I will say it again. EXAGGERATION!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Your constant bashing of Bush, even in a backassward way as this view of the destruction of the Hussein regime, is as typical un-American as burning the flag.

    Has it ever occurred to your airheaded thinking of what we might be facing at this time, were there a Saddam Hussein to be dealt with along with all the rest of the middle east antagonists?

    The lack of WMD's is a non sequitur in the big picture of the Iraq war...it only is fodder for the small minds that just can't imagine how all their leadership was duped into that belief, and I don't mean the Bush folks.

    How often do you need to be reminded of the entire liberal establishment that was absolutely positive those WMDs existed, along with the majority of the UN, not to mention the majority of the Kurd nation that lost millions already to that madman's WMDs.

    Just for S & G's, try donning your military outfit as a 'uniform', rather than a 'costume', and attempt to take a little pride in your nation, rather than putting it down every chance you can. I realize you are just following your President's lead, but realize there is an entire movement of TEA Partiers that feel we don't need to apologize for what this nation stands for, and we are getting pissed at all you liberal/socialists that continue to put up with this POTUS that keeps bowing to our enemies, and ignoring our friends. His sham oligarchy is going down. Time to choose sides.

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    Hmmmm. More personal attacks. On my wearing of the uniform as well.
    Really, I'd prefer a simple "thank you", rather than the insults.

    And if you think I would do anything akin to burning the US flag, just try doing it in front of me and see what happens!

    BTW, I will point out things when I think they are bad for this country. You have NOT heard me ever refer to Bush as "Dumbya" or other derogatory names. YOUR side constantly refers to Obama as "obumma" "bumface" "obongo" etc....

    THAT type of disgracing of the President is more aking to descecrating a symbol of this nation (ie flag burning) that stating one's opposition to policy. You just can't handle it when your man's flaws are pointed out, and thus resort to personal attacks upon people, their profession, and even stoop so low as to attack a fellow veteran's service! That's pretty sad, Bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Hmmmm. More personal attacks. On my wearing of the uniform as well.
    Really, I'd prefer a simple "thank you", rather than the insults.

    And if you think I would do anything akin to burning the US flag, just try doing it in front of me and see what happens!

    BTW, I will point out things when I think they are bad for this country. You have NOT heard me ever refer to Bush as "Dumbya" or other derogatory names. YOUR side constantly refers to Obama as "obumma" "bumface" "obongo" etc....

    THAT type of disgracing of the President is more aking to descecrating a symbol of this nation (ie flag burning) that stating one's opposition to policy. You just can't handle it when your man's flaws are pointed out, and thus resort to personal attacks upon people, their profession, and even stoop so low as to attack a fellow veteran's service! That's pretty sad, Bill.
    Though I truly appreciate the sentiment, one needs to ask.....what would you do??
    Tell on them??


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Though I truly appreciate the sentiment, one needs to ask.....what would you do??
    Tell on them??


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    I thought big muscle-men like you were supposed to be humble and understand implicit comments like that?

    Let's just say I'd do the same thing you would do, and leave it at that.

    Can we rejoin an adult conversation, without the insults and attacks now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I thought big muscle-men like you were supposed to be humble and understand implicit comments like that?

    Let's just say I'd do the same thing you would do, and leave it at that.

    Can we rejoin an adult conversation, without the insults and attacks now?

    I know I can, and do, I see no evidence that you have that capacity.


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