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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    No $hit... look where that got us chasing them last time. get a conservative candidate and go more conservative. If the voters have not made up their mind by now, there is no hope for them, lets move on (to coin a phrase)
    The undecideds don't vote along party lines, they generally want to hear what a candidate has to say.

    The GOP lost because they ran grandpa against a young, energetic, articulate candidate that promised "change". Grandpa and his outspoken VP runningmate ran the undecideds and moderates to the Dems!

    BTW, there aren't enough Conservatives to elect a President. To win, they need to have the ability to pull from the undecideds and moderates. Which means they need to keep thier message focused on the economy and jobs and drop the Draconian social agenda.

    The election debate needs to be about the Economy and Jobs. That includes effective policy in budget, re-evaluating most regulations, Foreign Policy and a realistic energy policy for both now and the future. If they stray from that message, they'll get beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    No $hit... look where that got us chasing them last time. get a conservative candidate and go more conservative. If the voters have not made up their mind by now, there is no hope for them, lets move on (to coin a phrase)
    I think you are wrong. It was not because McCain was a RINO it was because of the road Bush was taking us down. I do not think a tea party canidate can win an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    BTW, there aren't enough Conservatives to elect a President. To win, they need to have the ability to pull from the undecideds and moderates.
    Same for the democrats. But they each have enough base to make an third party victory almost impossible.

    My favorite commentary on swing voters was from (excuse the source) the Daly Show. This rips on both sides equally...

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...he-stupid-vote
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    Where is the Republican Presidential hopeful with that, "WOW" factor?

    I just don't see it in any of the candidates, yet.

    Is Jon Huntsman that Conservative intellectual that can lead us? He has the education and experience as an xGov and Xambassador to China.
    It's time we abandon our party affiliations and rather than being good Dems or good Repubs we all become good Americans. MJH345

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    I'm looking for a President that can lead us out of our finanacial mess!

    I want fiscal responsibility and a President that can stay focused on money and business, not some candidate with thier own social agenda.

    I don't see much difference from the GOP, who by the way helped us get into the mess we are in.

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    Not "most" but "traditional". You know, long before the GOP was hijacked!
    My daughter who is a third year law school old had to balance the budget and cut the debt in one of her classes. She was able to do it through a lot of cuts and very little tax raising. The project was very simply, her words, and took very little time. She does have an undergraduate degree in economics, which may have helped, but she is only 24 years old. All this back and forth at both the state and federal between the two parties is just politics. As a whole the two political parties do not care about the financial health of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terri View Post
    My daughter who is a third year law school old had to balance the budget and cut the debt in one of her classes. She was able to do it through a lot of cuts and very little tax raising. The project was very simply, her words, and took very little time. She does have an undergraduate degree in economics, which may have helped, but she is only 24 years old. All this back and forth at both the state and federal between the two parties is just politics. As a whole the two political parties do not care about the financial health of the country.

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    It is a shame she is not old enough to run for President

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    It is a shame she is not old enough to run for President
    Maybe one day she will. She does have the brains and the looks, but I'm not sure she she would get elected. Her cuts might make too many enemies. We started talking about something else, so I'm not sure what she planned to cut or tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Where is the Republican Presidential hopeful with that, "WOW" factor?

    I just don't see it in any of the candidates, yet.

    Is Jon Huntsman that Conservative intellectual that can lead us? He has the education and experience as an xGov and Xambassador to China.
    His problem is that almost no one knows who he is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terri View Post
    My daughter who is a third year law school old had to balance the budget and cut the debt in one of her classes. She was able to do it through a lot of cuts and very little tax raising. The project was very simply, her words, and took very little time. She does have an undergraduate degree in economics, which may have helped, but she is only 24 years old. All this back and forth at both the state and federal between the two parties is just politics. As a whole the two political parties do not care about the financial health of the country.

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    I nominate your daughter for POTUS in 2024!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terri View Post
    Her cuts WOULD make too many enemies.
    Fixed it for ya Terri.........and there in lies the problem!
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