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    Talking Good for Gates

    Gates advises
    against more wars
    like Iraq,
    Afghanistan
    By Thom Shanker
    The New York Times

    Posted: 02/26/2011 01:00:00 AM MST

    WEST POINT, N.Y. — Defense Secretary Robert
    Gates bluntly told an audience of West Point
    cadets Friday that it would be unwise for the
    United States to ever fight another war like Iraq
    or Afghanistan and that the chances of carrying
    out a change of regime in that fashion again
    were slim.

    "In my opinion, any future defense secretary who
    advises the president to again send a big
    American land army into Asia or into the Middle
    East or Africa should 'have his head examined,'
    as General MacArthur so delicately put it," Gates
    told an assembly of Army cadets here.

    That reality, he said, meant that the Army would
    have to reshape its budget because potential
    conflicts in places like Asia or the Persian Gulf
    were more likely to be fought with air and sea
    power, rather than with conventional ground
    forces.

    "As the prospects for another head-on clash of
    large mechanized land armies seem less likely,
    the Army will be increasingly challenged to
    justify the number, size and cost of its heavy
    formations," Gates said.

    "The odds of repeating another Afghanistan or
    Iraq — invading, pacifying and administering a
    large third-world country — may be low," Gates
    said.

    But the Army and the rest of the government
    must focus on capabilities that can "prevent
    festering problems from growing into full-blown
    crises which require costly — and controversial
    — large-scale American military intervention."

    Gates was brought into the Bush Cabinet in late
    2006 to repair the war effort in Iraq that was
    begun under his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld,
    and then was kept in office by President Barack
    Obama.

    Gates has said that he would leave office this
    year, and the speech at West Point could be
    heard as his farewell to the Army.

    Put this in your pipes and smoke it!
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    Bravo for Gates!

    Too bad he wasn't Bush's FIRST choice for SecDef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    But the Army and the rest of the government
    must focus on capabilities that can "prevent festering problems from growing into full-blown crises which require costly — and controversial
    — large-scale American military intervention."
    Sounds like he favors more UN type "police actions" like Bosnia instead
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    Hind sight makes all men look like geniuses.

    The First gulf war required massive land forces and was a success. Just depends on the situation. You should never say never.

    The military must prepare for all contingencies.
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    Sounds like he's been hanging out with Colin Powell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    Hind sight makes all men look like geniuses.

    The First gulf war required massive land forces and was a success. Just depends on the situation. You should never say never.

    The military must prepare for all contingencies.
    Success? Depends on how you qualify success!
    How much did the US pay/lose for these "successes"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    Success? Depends on how you qualify success!
    How much did the US pay/lose for these "successes"?
    "Pay/lose" ? Depends on how one qualifies "loss."
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    "It's not that government is inherently stupid, although that's a debatable question."
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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    The military must prepare for all contingencies.
    George Washington reminded all in his first address to Congress, “To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.”

    And while George, in his Farewell Address, DID warn to " ...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."
    when politicians suggested limiting our standing army to 5,000 by law, Washington asked for an amendment to limit the size of the enemy to 3,000 troops !
    "It's not that government is inherently stupid, although that's a debatable question."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    "Pay/lose" ? Depends on how one qualifies "loss"
    Money & lives. Remeber I live in a military city.
    What did we gain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    Success? Depends on how you qualify success!
    How much did the US pay/lose for these "successes"?

    You know what angers me??? Is posts from such an unAmerican weasel like you. You wouldn't appreciate what freedoms were fought to allow you and DNF and Roger and the rest of the linguini spined socialists around here to continue to whine and moan as if they could have done anything better.

    Crawl back into your protected hole, and let the rest of this nation's warriors and heros take care of your contemptible rear end.

    WAKE UP AMERICA! These are the type of 'voters' that would love to see this great nation crumble...and they are working at it daily. They could care less about your freedoms. They are willing to have your liberties legislated away daily. They continue to support Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the other liberal/socialists that will ruin this country. Make no mistake, they ARE the often spoken about "enemy within".

    The muslims are easy to recognize. Their weapons are easily defeated. The real enemy is this crowd:

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but the citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.

    It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency, than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.

    Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."


    There has never been a time when conservatives need to get more involved; join the TEA party...promote and give to our cause. What the liberals are having happen is a complete destruction of the America we grew up in.

    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004)

    Truer words were never spoken.

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