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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    You know what angers me??? Is posts from such an unAmerican weasel like you. You wouldn't appreciate what freedoms were fought to allow you and DNF and Roger and the rest of the linguini spined socialists around here to continue to whine and moan as if they could have done anything better.

    Crawl back into your protected hole, and let the rest of this nation's warriors and heros take care of your contemptible rear end.

    WAKE UP AMERICA! These are the type of 'voters' that would love to see this great nation crumble...and they are working at it daily. They could care less about your freedoms. They are willing to have your liberties legislated away daily. They continue to support Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the other liberal/socialists that will ruin this country. Make no mistake, they ARE the often spoken about "enemy within".

    The muslims are easy to recognize. Their weapons are easily defeated. The real enemy is this crowd:

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but the citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.

    It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency, than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.

    Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."


    There has never been a time when conservatives need to get more involved; join the TEA party...promote and give to our cause. What the liberals are having happen is a complete destruction of the America we grew up in.

    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004)

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    Do you mean legislating the liberties away like the Republican Governors are trying to do????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    You know what angers me??? Is posts from such an unAmerican weasel like you. You wouldn't appreciate what freedoms were fought to allow you and DNF and Roger and the rest of the linguini spined socialists around here to continue to whine and moan as if they could have done anything better.


    Some things never change......


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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    What did we gain?
    Dnf came back alive to later post on PP/RTF.
    That HAS to be considered a "gain" doesn't it?
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    unAmerican weasel
    Nothing like you for sure! I treat and deal in the realities of war everyday here in the Springs with returning warriors.
    Your sir are despicable!
    This is what he was all about!:
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    Seriously though:
    Lives? Out of the 950,000+ troops committed there were only 392 killed, 772 wounded of Coalition forces according to Wiki. I'm sure you view that as a loss. I prefer to look at the gain of so many of our troops coming back alive.

    Money? Without that action, we all could have been paying $4 a gallon & up gas a lonnnng time ago. I view that extra money over the years and ability to maintain my lifestyle as a gain. In actual $'s, the US Department of Defense estimated the incremental cost at $61 billion. This additional cost included deployment, construction and operations in the Gulf. However, $54 billion was offset by contributions of other members in the Coalition. Two-thirds of the $54 billion was provided by the Gulf States ($36 billion) with the remaining one-third mostly provided by Japan and Germany ($16 billion).
    How many billions might have flowed into Saddam's pockets if he had been allowed to stay in Kuwait or taken over Saudi Arabia as well, is impossible to guess-timate.
    Bottom line, The US paid roughly $7 billion, less than 12% of the total cost and less than half what Saudi Arabia and Kuwait paid.
    I think it's reasonable though, to say that we would have paid more than that amount over the years just in gas alone.

    The Coalition forces demonstrated vast technological & tactical superiority over Saddam's, this enabled modern armored warfare to become battles of maneuver over the old school encounter, bringing more of our family members home. Remember the ground campaign lasted only 100 hours, not days or months. GPS came into its own and has transformed the way many of us live our lives these days. This has also led to advances in UAV's and other robotic weapons, keeping more of "our guys" safe piloting joysticks in Colorado Springs & El Segundo CA instead of being in harm's way over A-stan & elsewhere. Definite gain, imo! You can decide on the "value" of that.

    Lastly, we demonstrated the willingness and ability to stand by our allies and defend our interests. Though if the present trend continues, we may not have many, if any, allies to defend in the region. Thus self validating Gates' premise in his speech. Decide for yourself whether gain/loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Dnf came back alive to later post on PP/RTF.
    That HAS to be considered a "gain" doesn't it?
    Brian, do you build wooden boats?
    Are you on woodenboat forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    unAmerican weasel
    Nothing like you for sure! I treat and deal in the realities of war everyday here in the Springs with returning warriors.
    Your sir are despicable!
    You mean because I boot camped in CS probably when you were in diapers?

    If you want to be treated like an American, stop writting such unAmerican bilge. But like so many on-the-take-Democrats, or those relying on the union to take care of them, you continue to promote the entitlements as a right of life for you and your cronies.

    And you are so blind you can't see how you are part of the Obama crowd running this nation into ruin....but can blanche at being called unAmerican?

    Show me what you do that isn't part of taking freedoms from the inhabitants of this country.

    Reread my post...especially the blue-ink portion. You are the epitome of what is being described in that comment. How proud you must be.

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    Uncle Bill: I am 74 years old therefore I doubt your perception of me is correct.
    I have made significant contirbutions to our people and our country which I sure you have. I thank you for your service time as I do every person in the military, police force and fire depaartment as well as many of our political leaders.
    I continiue to offer my professional skills to our Vets and our returning service men & women. Beside bitching what are you doing?
    I would suggest your seek anger management therapy.
    By the way have you or do you know have a subtance abuse problem?
    No need to respond because no effort will change your inability to disagree in an intellegent manner with those who don't agree with your views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinner View Post
    Success? Depends on how you qualify success!
    How much did the US pay/lose for these "successes"?

    Success? I believe the US achieved its stated goal.

    The US objective was the liberation of Kuwait which, in defiance of UN resolutions,had been occupied by Iraq since August 1990.

    The Iraqi army in Kuwait was destroyed, and Kuwait liberated within 5 days of the beginning of the ground offensive.

    Sounds pretty successful to me.

    At what price? Most of the cost of the war was paid to us by other countries, in fact, that was one of the left's complaints, that we should not be making money off of the war.

    The loss of lives was extremely low (the loss of any life is tragic but it is war) especially when the media and even the governments own estimates were in the thousands to 10s of thousands.

    So, sounds like success.

    I hope all future conflicts end as well as this one.
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    Thank you, Sinner. I stand corrected. You are indeed old enough to know better, unless you fall into the 'lifelong' Democrat category. Many in your party use this as their guide to voting. How about you?

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    10. I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.



    9. I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

    8. I voted Democrat because Freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

    7. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

    6. I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

    5. I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies through abortion so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

    4. I voted Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits.


    3. I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the democrats see fit.

    2. I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.


    1. I voted Democrat because my head ...

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    it's unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.


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