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    Default Speaker Boehner vs Tea Party

    http://theweek.com/article/index/212...n-john-boehner

    I agree that the proposed cuts are nothing more than posturing.

    I agree with the Tea Party that it is "business as usual".

    The GOP has an opportunity to make some meaningful cuts to the seize of the Fed Government.

    Why are useless agancies and depatments NOT being targeted for elimination?

    Dept Of Education
    Dept Of Energy
    IRS

    Ethanol production

    Entitlement programs

    Iraq and A'stan

    I'm sure y'all can add a lot more to the list!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    http://theweek.com/article/index/212...n-john-boehner

    I agree that the proposed cuts are nothing more than posturing.

    I agree with the Tea Party that it is "business as usual".

    The GOP has an opportunity to make some meaningful cuts to the seize of the Fed Government.

    Why are useless agancies and depatments NOT being targeted for elimination?

    Dept Of Education
    Dept Of Energy
    IRS

    Ethanol production

    Entitlement programs

    Iraq and A'stan

    I'm sure y'all can add a lot more to the list!

    Not unlike many of the lefty groups that want their pablum and want it NOW, several factions of the TEA party are lacking common sense, and only see THEIR wants as inviolable.

    Wonder if any of them understand that almost 1/2 of the 2011 budget has already been spent via the CR of the Democrats?

    As far as I'm concerned, if the Republicans can continue getting an average of 2 BILLION/week in cuts, they are meeting their pledge. I say allow them to get through this session, and then hold their feet to the fire for the next FULL YEARS budget for 2012.

    When the 2012 budget gets written by the conservatives in the House, it will still have no support from the Democratic controlled Senate, and of course the POTUS. But it should have the outlines of what the budget should be, regardless of its possible passage.

    At that time, there should be some real reforms and tackling of those obsolete cabinet positions that are valueless and only achieve to further their own existance. If the conservatives in congress present a thoughtful elimination of these "albatross'es", reasoned out so the public can understand the whys and wherefores, the public will then understand these kind of 'changes' can't be implemented until there are more politicians in D.C. that are as willing to return America to the people as the TEA partys have requested.

    On the other hand, if they get too far beyond what's practical, they may be seen as just a batch of kooks, out to gore every ox they can...regardless of the circumstances.

    Out of curiosity, Franco, what makes you believe NONE of those agencies are not being targeted...just because it hasn't happened already???? Agreed, patience is not one of my virtues either, but get real. Eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood or Acorn is a far cry from shutting down the IRS. That might be analogous to selling one of your guns, or selling your home, which might require a tad more thought and planning.

    The other variable that needs to be considered in the Fed budgeting is the ramifications for the various states. Should several of these states that now require public unionization, adopt a 'Right to Work' status, it will certainly strengthen the US Representatives desires for eliminating that education department.

    If the 2012 elections send to Washington another group of elected officials with another mandate to get that national debt in order, we might see some action to offset the environmental whackos hold on the lack of drilling in this country. Then we could really find no benefit to retaining an energy czar or department.

    No doubt the time will come when we need to "get in the face" of some of these politicians to get some fire into those dragging their rears to get done what's needed, but now isn't it. Some of these TEA party groups are becoming a turn-off for the general public...similar to the military side of the right wing. They are doing no more good than that dude in Wisconsin was doing for the teachers in that state when he was screaming at that Fox news reporter on air. What an example of stupidity.

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    Just wait until Walker is President.
    You'll see it hit the fan then.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post

    Out of curiosity, Franco, what makes you believe NONE of those agencies are not being targeted...just because it hasn't happened already???? Agreed, patience is not one of my virtues either, but get real. Eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood or Acorn is a far cry from shutting down the IRS. That might be analogous to selling one of your guns, or selling your home, which might require a tad more thought and planning.


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    I've read which programs they are attacking. No mention of any that I pointed out.

    IRS is a huge waste. The only fair tax is one that taxes people's spending.

    BTW, Ron Paul has suggested cutting Education, Energy and the Ethanol earmark. But, until it is on the table I'll refer to them as ignored areas that we can cut.
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    The problem with entitlements is they become sacred cows to voters. Witness: Medicaid and Social Security. The latter was never designed for those that did not pay into the system, so why can't their benefits be cut?

    And the problem with education cuts is children are another sacred cow. We will be sacrificing our future if we don't keep throwing money at education, even though all that has done is create a yawing bureaucracy to "administrate" and lobby for more money. Meanwhile education despite all the gazillions thrown at it keeps being dumbed down for the lowest common denominator. You could say the same thing about energy policy too. All those billions spent on ethanol and we're more dependent than ever on unstable banana republics for our oil needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    I've read which programs they are attacking. No mention of any that I pointed out.

    IRS is a huge waste. The only fair tax is one that taxes people's spending.

    BTW, Ron Paul has suggested cutting Education, Energy and the Ethanol earmark. But, until it is on the table I'll refer to them as ignored areas that we can cut.
    With all the tax cuts for the rich and people out of work there is nothing coming in anyway.

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    they cut funding for the long time EDUCATION program RIF- reading is fundamental, how is that not at least a start...We as a country didnt get in this situation overnight and cutting the budget isnt going to get done overnight either...

    Funding for programs is like a ponzi scheme,because of earmarks and other provisions there are many programs that could get cut because of something unrelated to that program
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    Here's a Texan with an idea that's way past due, and one the current congress needs to do right now. It would meet approval of so many Americans, and would be another way to cut the spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    With all the tax cuts for the rich and people out of work there is nothing coming in anyway.
    I am not in the top 4% income but I will ask you this question anyway.

    Given that the top 1% of income earners pay as much income tax as the bottom 90% and that the top 4% of income earners pay that equal to the bottom 96%. Just how much greater percentage do you believe that the top 1% or the top4% should pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I am not in the top 4% income but I will ask you this question anyway.

    Given that the top 1% of income earners pay as much income tax as the bottom 90% and that the top 4% of income earners pay that equal to the bottom 96%. Just how much greater percentage do you believe that the top 1% or the top4% should pay?

    Never expect a 'reasoned' answer from a socialist rooted in class envy. They would milk their own employer until that business that was his livlihood was broke. And then they would bitch because that employer moved away, and believe they had nothing to do with that move.

    When you question Roger and his ilk, you are truly talking to the crowd that would kill the goose that layed the golden eggs. And after they had succeeded, they would just shrug and wonder what happened, like they are blameless. And in truth, they are. Like a deranged killer, they are just too stupid to recognize their ignorant views of life. They continue to receive handouts until the providers have no more to give, then they will kill those providers for being unthinking about the have-nots.

    They would never wonder why Atlas shrugged. They have no clue.

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