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    I am a right down the middle centrist. I expect a leftwing radical like you believes this is a scandal of epic proportion and a solution similar to what Lenin did is just what is needed to right this wrong. Hugo Chavez has a solution down there in Venezuela right now. He is nationalizing virtually everything. I also believe he has anointed himself Supreme Being or some such.

    It appears obama thought about it but stopped short at GM, I mean government motors, and the health care industry. He still may anoint himself Supreme Being though, but he would need to get of the golf course to make some time.


    The rich is the boogie man…boo

    Class warfare sucks.

    you ask the righties what they would do, what would you do as a lefty?

    BTW, you haven’t convinced this centrist there is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Great question Nate. I'm interested in the answers also. The times this country has seen its greatest prosperity also happen to coincide with some of the smaller CEO/Worker disparity periods. Our worst economic times, like now, have coincided with the largest disparity.

    Redistribution of wealth is only a "good thing" when its taking wages and benefits away from working class Americans, and giving it to corporations and the elite in the form of tax breaks, which historically have NOT resulted in job creation, just wealth creation for those on the receiving end.

    Let's see what the RW response is. I'm very interested to see if they think 200x pay scales for CEOs who off-shore American jobs is ok.
    Our country's greatest period of prosperty was after WW2. From 1946 - 1960, when we had half the population, 150 million and not the 300 plus million today. That accounts for most of those "poor" folks.

    We were able to mfg because domestic demand for USA products was high and labor was still affordable.

    USA quality began to fall in the 1960's, ie domestic autos, electronics, etc. And, foreign labor was more willing so, it went offshore.

    I wouldn't blame a CEO or anyone else tring to make an honest buck as most of them do. The reality is that corporations can't afford to pay labor in the USA, unless we want to bring in more illegals.

    Do you think the world's largest retailer, Walmart, could afford to make thier products here and still be competitive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    ...Do you think the world's largest retailer, Walmart, could afford to make thier products here and still be competitive?
    Careful Franco, just the mere mention of the name Walmart sends lefties into a foaming at the mouth frenzy screaming about unfair labor practices, the end of the mom and pop store and possibly the end of civilization itself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    I am a right down the middle centrist. I expect a leftwing radical like you believes this is a scandal of epic proportion and a solution similar to what Lenin did is just what is needed to right this wrong. Hugo Chavez has a solution down there in Venezuela right now. He is nationalizing virtually everything. I also believe he has anointed himself Supreme Being or some such.

    It appears obama thought about it but stopped short at GM, I mean government motors, and the health care industry. He still may anoint himself Supreme Being though, but he would need to get of the golf course to make some time.


    The rich is the boogie man…boo

    Class warfare sucks.

    you ask the righties what they would do, what would you do as a lefty?

    BTW, you haven’t convinced this centrist there is a problem.

    RK take note. Joe Miano identifies himself as 'centrist'. So does Dave Ferraro. Kinda leaves one in a quandry...don't it? I mean geez. JD
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    chuckling

    right down the middle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post

    Careful Franco, just the mere mention of the name Walmart sends lefties into a foaming at the mouth frenzy screaming about unfair labor practices, the end of the mom and pop store and possibly the end of civilization itself...
    OK

    Then, lets look at GM and Chrysler compared to those suppressed overworked underpaid Asian auto workers. They've killed the UAW is making passenger autos that people will buy. Other tham heavy duty trucks, the only way Detroit can sell a vehicle is because they are cheaper to purchase. Yet, there are more import passenger vehicles(cars) on the road than domestic! What does that tell ya?

    I bet Michelle and Barry were driving foreign autos when he was a Community Organgrinder.

    The most worrisome is the loss of high tech jobs. Who wants to live and work in that industry in you live on the upper east caost or west coast? Municiple, State, Federal and Sales and other gov taxes ie vice, gas, bonuses tax rate, where government can keep thier hand in your pocket is what this current administration is about. If the middle class didn't have the upper class to work with, there would be no class in the USA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    chuckling

    right down the middle!
    I average somewhere near the middle...probably a little left of center. (at least by the graphic test we all took a while ago)

    I am not "centrist" on many issues, rather to the left on some, and to the right on others. I prefer "independent" over "centrist", as independent implies that one is not beholden to any one brand of ideology.

    Subroc, I hear and at least partially agree with your comments. No, I do not like walmart, but yes, I picked up a brick of 22s there today. I much prefer to spend my money at mom&pop stores, but the fact is, there's just not than many around anymore, and its not even the higher prices, but rather the limited inventory that turns me away often.

    Thomas Freidman's The World is Flat, talks about this and presents some very interesting dilemmas for our American economy and way of life. I think with a flattening globe, (his words) it is inevitable that our standard of living will normalize somewhat lower than we're used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    RK take note. Joe Miano identifies himself as 'centrist'. So does Dave Ferraro. Kinda leaves one in a quandry...don't it? I mean geez. JD
    uhhhhh......NO, not really.



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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    I am a right down the middle centrist. I expect a leftwing radical like you believes this is a scandal of epic proportion and a solution similar to what Lenin did is just what is needed to right this wrong. Hugo Chavez has a solution down there in Venezuela right now. He is nationalizing virtually everything. I also believe he has anointed himself Supreme Being or some such.

    It appears obama thought about it but stopped short at GM, I mean government motors, and the health care industry. He still may anoint himself Supreme Being though, but he would need to get of the golf course to make some time.


    The rich is the boogie man…boo

    Class warfare sucks.

    you ask the righties what they would do, what would you do as a lefty?

    BTW, you haven’t convinced this centrist there is a problem.

    Were you saying I am a leftwing radical? Far from it. I am a moderate. I think it is funny though. When you ask a fair policy question to the far right the anwser is always "Obama Sucks". By the way everyone is already convinced of the problem. It is right in front of you. Our current recession. See the market is back and stablized. This the real economy now without a bubble to prop us up. In 2 years we will be lucky to be down to 7% unemployment with almost no wage growth.
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    all right, a well thought out answer.

    I don't know or believe there is a problem. You appear to believe there is. What is your solution?
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