"All those things bother me: The populism, the lying and the scapegoating and the xenophobia bother me, but then there’s a layer of incompetence here. I suppose, in a way, we should be thankful: If he had a coherent ideology, he’d probably be more dangerous." P J O'Rourke
Looks like everybody here is centrist/independent/MOR.
You would think we would find more concensus (sp)
One cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift