so many valid questions as the result of my post and that is good. I'll take the numerous questions asked by sinner first and go from there.
1. Support by health care providers of a single payor system. Neither you nor I have actual statistics on this issue, only our perceptions of the numbers. I would suggest that those healthcare providers who work for the government or teach at an institution of higher learning, or work for a salary would have a higher percentage of support for a single payor system. you also may see a higher percentage of those who practice in so large a group practice that they have turned all of the business aspects of private practice over to a practice manager but these would still be less that those on salary or in government work. those in smaller groups or in solo private practice would give far less suport for such a system. My perception is that only those who work for the government would support such a system by a majority. I have no proof and freely admit it but I will contend that you have no proof that a majority support it either.
2. Concerning German support of their system, I am a dentist and have personally treated a West German who visited this country for a summer and wished to get her dental work done here(which was quite substantial) and willing to pay for it so long as it could be completed during the summer. I asked her why she did not get it done in West Germany since they had socialized medicine. Her response was "You don't understand. The level of care is controlled by the government and I am not satisfied with that level. I can not pay for it here since the government will not allow the doctors to perform the services I want and allow me to pay for it. I am willing to pay for it and I am allowed to do that in this country." If you look back at my orriginal post, those who have little need for care like the system and those who either require or want a higher level of care dictated by the government do not like the system.
3. Cherry Picking- I did not cherry pick, I only responded concerning countries that I had knowledge of. If you have knowledge of other countries that are different than those I refferenced then so speak. I specifically would emphasize Canada because it has been bought up many times as the ideal model for a single payor system and enjoys a close proxicimity to us. My statements are accurate concerning the countries and challenge you to prove them wrong.
4. Working for the insurance company- I HAVE NOT EVER WORKED FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. There is no law or requirement that makes me do so. If any provider works for an insurance company, is their choice and theirs only. Market conditions may make them FEEL like they have to BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO.
5. Sale of drugs- I think you asnwered your own question so I will quote you "law governing the sale of drugs" If you don't like the law governing the sale of drugs then why do you advocate a single payor system forbibbing the sale of healthcare??
6. Medical profession part of the problem- If you read my post you will see that I specifically criticised the healthcare profession for charging for their services as if it were a used car lot. I stated that if the profession would say "hell no, my fees are the lowest I will accept and are market driven and charged the same no matter who received the care, then we all that pay would be better off"
When I graduated from dental school, I spent about 1 1/2 years working as an independent contractor(I don't know how else to put it unless call it self employed) until I could buy the land and build my office. After that I was in solo practice from then on. That is my background and the vantage point I see the problem. What is yours.
One question for you. It is simple and can be answered with a simple YES or NO. Are you willing to deny a patient's freedom to choose the level of care he or she desires and is willing to pay for it, and are you willing to deny a person who happens to be a health care provider the freedom to work for who he chooses? I'd like an answer.