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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    What an idiot! Last thing we need is more people.

    Compare out standard of living in 1950 when we were a nation of 150 million to now where we are over 300 million. And what was the tax rate? What percentage of labor was unionized? All interesting comparisons!

    No comparison!

    We love to bash the Dems here on POTUS but the reality is there are just as many idiots like Santorium on both sides of the isle!
    That, I can agree with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    What an idiot! Last thing we need is more people.

    Compare out standard of living in 1950 when we were a nation of 150 million to now where we are over 300 million.

    No comparison!

    We love to bash the Dems here on POTUS but the reality is there are just as many idiots like Santorium on both sides of the isle!
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    Back in the 1950's we had a higher percentage of a free workforce. It wasn't until the late 60's that unions in this country grew like weeds.

    The need for unions is over. They have run off jobs to foreign lands, they burden the Federal and State governments and harbor poor performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Back in the 1950's we had a higher percentage of a free workforce. It wasn't until the late 60's that unions in this country grew like weeds.

    The need for unions is over. They have run off jobs to foreign lands, they burden the Federal and State governments and harbor poor performance.

    RK, back in the early 50's, one could live large on 10k a year!
    My grandfather was a union coal miner. He made just over 3k a year when he started, and sent his three daughters to school. I would bet that a much higher percentage of workers were union in the 1950s than now.

    I don't disagree that our workforce cannot compete with workers who are willing to mine coal in unsafe conditions, where up to 20,000 miners die EACH YEAR. (china) But I would argue that NAFTA has caused a bigger exodus of American jobs than unions. Look at all the non-union jobs that have been lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    My grandfather was a union coal miner. He made just over 3k a year when he started, and sent his three daughters to school. I would bet that a much higher percentage of workers were union in the 1950s than now.

    I don't disagree that our workforce cannot compete with workers who are willing to mine coal in unsafe conditions, where up to 20,000 miners die EACH YEAR. (china) But I would argue that NAFTA has caused a bigger exodus of American jobs than unions. Look at all the non-union jobs that have been lost.
    Don't the coal companies have strict saftey regulations?

    NAFTRA is bad and the unions make it worse. We just can't afford them any longer unless we want to see unemployment rise. Life is not fair! It they don't like what they are being compensated, they are free to work somewhere else.

    It is the (unions) socialization of the USA that is costing us our standard of living combined with decades of poor leadership in DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Don't the coal companies have strict saftey regulations?.
    In China? No, they don't care about their people it seems like. I am surprised they don't lose more in the mines.
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    For all of you "God is not great" the book address this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Don't the coal companies have strict saftey regulations?

    NAFTRA is bad and the unions make it worse. We just can't afford them any longer unless we want to see unemployment rise. Life is not fair! It they don't like what they are being compensated, they are free to work somewhere else.

    It is the (unions) socialization of the USA that is costing us our standard of living combined with decades of poor leadership in DC.
    And every one of the safety regulations came off the backs of union action. You can see in China, what industry-led working conditions would be like without union counterbalance.

    And I agree, there are certainly cases of union greed that have out-priced themselves. But even if they offered half their salaries up, you still couldn't compete with the cheap labor overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Back in the 1950's we had a higher percentage of a free workforce. It wasn't until the late 60's that unions in this country grew like weeds.

    The need for unions is over. They have run off jobs to foreign lands, they burden the Federal and State governments and harbor poor performance.

    RK, back in the early 50's, one could live large on 10k a year!
    In 1950 my parents bought a house for 10k

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    And every one of the safety regulations came off the backs of union action. You can see in China, what industry-led working conditions would be like without union counterbalance.

    And I agree, there are certainly cases of union greed that have out-priced themselves. But even if they offered half their salaries up, you still couldn't compete with the cheap labor overseas.
    I'd be more concerned with having to support thier rediculousley expensive pensions and health care. I'm just thankful I live in a Right To Work state, where unemployment is low and saleries competitve. Where people have the freedom to either join a union or not!
    Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge



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