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    Default Ready for the 'shutdown'?

    If the Democrats think the Republicans will shoulder the blame, I say give it a go, and let the public sort it out in 2012. This is purely a case of "chicken", that the donkey crowd think they have a leg up because they shouted their insults first.

    But now that the slimy sleasebag of politics...Upchuck Schumer... developed a case of diarrhea of the mouth on an open mike, and we all now know everything the dumocrats are conniving to do is purely political, and has nothing to do with atempting to reduce the deficit or even provide a usable budget. They are purely for increasing the debt and raising the level of debt so their cronies and the unions and welfarists can continue their freeloading.

    The TEA Party candidates are not going to allow this to happen. If their meager $61 billion cut from a $3.6 TRILLION budget proposal is blocked by the Democrats, I say Shut-R-Down, and let the public determine who's at fault.

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    Bachmann: Obama, Dems Playing 'Political Games' with Shutdown

    Thursday, 31 Mar 2011 06:09 PM
    By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella


    Congresswoman and tea party leader Michele Bachmann tells Newsmax she will flat-out refuse to support any budget bill that does not include the defunding of President Obama’s healthcare reform plan.

    The Minnesota Republican, who is considering a run for president in 2012, also charges that Democrats are playing “political games” by seeking to shut down the government in the belief they would benefit politically.


    Democrats in the Senate have proposed $33 billion in spending cuts, while House Republicans want $61 billion in cuts. In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, Bachmann was asked whether $33 billion in cuts would be a deal-breaker for her.

    “People who are here in Washington, D.C., today affiliated with the tea party are saying that in their opinion, $61 billion shouldn’t be the goal — that should be the starting point,” says Bachmann, founder and head of the House Tea Party Caucus.

    “So it’s very good that we have people from the tea party, which are average Americans, pressing the Congress, saying $33 billion isn’t enough, $61 billion isn’t enough. I think that will ultimately help us end on a very good number.”

    Asked whether she would go along with just $33 billion in cuts, Bachmann says: “What I’m going along with is to be able to have defunding of Obamacare. I cannot vote for a budget bill unless it has the defunding of Obamacare. We’re talking about well over $1 trillion over a number of years and this will break the bank in the United States.

    “Over the course of the past year, the American people have been very clear: Defund Obamacare. That will change the outcome more than what the particular dollar amount is.

    “What we need to do is get our financial house in order. We’ve already put a template out to do that, which would include defunding of Planned Parenthood, defunding of Obamacare. We need to put that forward and make our case.”

    Some observers have said the Democrats’ strategy is to drive a wedge between the tea party, which insists that Republicans should fight for massive cuts, and House Speaker John Boehner. Asked whether she believes that could happen, Bachmann tells Newsmax: “No, I don’t think so. The tea party put the gavel in Speaker Boehner’s hand. They’re not trying to go against John Boehner, they’re just trying to hold the Republicans accountable.”

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer on Tuesday said on an open microphone that his caucus had told him to label the tea party as “extreme” at every opportunity. Republicans said that indicated Democrats are more interested in playing political games, and perhaps even forcing a shutdown of the government.

    Former National Democratic Chairman Howard Dean and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have expressed sentiments similar to Schumer’s in recent days.

    “Between Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and Howard Dean, they let the cat out of the bag,” Bachmann says.

    “That is that the Democrats’ political plan is to shut down government because they think they will benefit from doing that. Now we know that if the government shuts down it’s not the tea party’s fault, it’s the Democrats’ fault, because they’ve made a decision they’re not interested in compromise. They just want to see the government shut down.

    “They aren’t interested in a practical solution, and I think people all across the United States are tired of political games.”
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    And you are believing anything Michelle Bachman has to say????????????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    If the Government shuts down and no checks are cut and mailed some of our members will be in big trouble financially.

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    1st of all folks, even if the the government had a "political" government shut down, many VITAL government operations would continue, including the IRS and the refund of income tax "over payments" (refunds will go out to those of us who have overpaid). However, political manuevering is, as usual, in the forefront as it makes "good" news fodder for the masses!

    No doubt that we are in dangerous and difficult times. Thomas Sowell wrote a book entitled, " A Conflict of Visions" and it is a very good, but difficult and time consuming read. Mr. Sowell is an economist with an astute clarity of thought concerning mankind's divided "feelings" about how we "should" be. It is a lengthy insight into WHY humans divide into two distinct "idealogies" about how life should be.

    Personally, I'm sad that a great many U.S. citizens have become comfortable with voting and expounding on their "feelings" while neglecting to research the facts behind a great many events that are shaping, sadly, the demise of our freedoms.

    Recent discussions, with very well educated friends of mine, have led me to believe that a great many of us have been far too busy with living our day-to-day lives without really paying close enough attention to what our politicians have done to our country (for decades). What is the old saying, "The foxes have been guarding the hen houses." This is how I feel right now!
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    And you are believing anything Michelle Bachman has to say????????????
    In this case Schumer's blab is a recorded fact.

    Do any of us, regardless of which side we're on, doubt that this whole thing is more than a bunch of political crap?

    The budget should have been completed last year, when the Dems had control of both houses. The Dems could have pretty much done whatever they wanted. So, why didn't they do their job then? They created this "crisis".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    In this case Schumer's blab is a recorded fact.

    Do any of us, regardless of which side we're on, doubt that this whole thing is more than a bunch of political crap?

    The budget should have been completed last year, when the Dems had control of both houses. The Dems could have pretty much done whatever they wanted. So, why didn't they do their job then? They created this "crisis".
    We all know the answer, they intentionally avoided (and broke the law) presenting a budget last year, because it was an election year and the wanted to hide some of their fiscal shenanigans from the voters. It all started at the top, Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    In this case Schumer's blab is a recorded fact.

    Do any of us, regardless of which side we're on, doubt that this whole thing is more than a bunch of political crap?

    The budget should have been completed last year, when the Dems had control of both houses. The Dems could have pretty much done whatever they wanted. So, why didn't they do their job then? They created this "crisis".
    Even if the Republicans get thier way, I am not happy with the paultry 61 billion cut. An amount that means very little in addressing the problem.

    Lets shut er' down till we can get cuts into the hundreds of billions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Even if the Republicans get thier way, I am not happy with the paultry 61 billion cut. An amount that means very little in addressing the problem.

    Lets shut er' down till we can get cuts into the hundreds of billions!

    You are correct in your assessment of the paltry 61 billion. That's what is so exasperating for the Republicans...the Democrats can't even get that much through. The 61 is of course on top of the 10 already run through with the two 'extensions'. The balking by the Democrats is to force a shutdown, which they see as a Republican problem, and having similar ramifications as the '95 shutdown. But I believe they are misreading the people this time, and I look forward to it.

    This will be an interesting week. I read the Republicans as now being in the camp that they will no longer allow any further extensions, so it's a 61 billion take-it-or-leave-it budget cut that everyone now knows is peanuts in the overall game. But on top of this, the Republicans are going to release their 2012 budget proposal this week, and that will have some real teeth in tackling all phases of the federal government's spending.

    We'll see what these smarmy socialists do when the overall spending cuts are available for them to slam and ridicule, and find out the people that can hardly wait to run their asses outa office think of the plan the conservatives have put together to cut the Washington-circle spending.

    LET THE BRAYING AND SQUEELING BEGIN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    You are correct in your assessment of the paltry 61 billion. That's what is so exasperating for the Republicans...the Democrats can't even get that much through. The 61 is of course on top of the 10 already run through with the two 'extensions'. The balking by the Democrats is to force a shutdown, which they see as a Republican problem, and having similar ramifications as the '95 shutdown. But I believe they are misreading the people this time, and I look forward to it.

    This will be an interesting week. I read the Republicans as now being in the camp that they will no longer allow any further extensions, so it's a 61 billion take-it-or-leave-it budget cut that everyone now knows is peanuts in the overall game. But on top of this, the Republicans are going to release their 2012 budget proposal this week, and that will have some real teeth in tackling all phases of the federal government's spending.

    We'll see what these smarmy socialists do when the overall spending cuts are available for them to slam and ridicule, and find out the people that can hardly wait to run their asses outa office think of the plan the conservatives have put together to cut the Washington-circle spending.

    LET THE BRAYING AND SQUEELING BEGIN!!!

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    Are the Republicans willing to take the tax loopholes out of big business???? How about cutting off tax breaks for big oil??????????? Will we see the Republicans offer up any of these ideas??????????? Or will it be all domestic programs that they want to cut that affect the middle class or to just further their agenda?????????
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    If they would just close the loopholes on GE and and one other similar company, they would MORE than make up their 60 billion number! Just puts in in perspective.
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