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    I'm neither an economist nor am I a politician.
    So I am asking the experts here.
    How long do you think it would take to fix this deficit?
    One 4yr. term by one President should be enough to fix the economy???
    Seems the biggest problem is the politicians who all seem to have to be right and can't agree on squat.
    Mean while the middle class continues to wait patiently for them to decide on something and again get stung in the shorts .
    Tired of it all!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Kiefer View Post
    I'm neither an economist nor am I a politician.
    So I am asking the experts here.
    How long do you think it would take to fix this deficit?
    One 4yr. term by one President should be enough to fix the economy??? The answer is - someone competent would have been able to change direction, that has happened, just the wrong direction .
    Seems the biggest problem is the politicians who all seem to have to be right and can't agree on squat.
    Mean while the middle class continues to wait patiently for them to decide on something and again get stung in the shorts .
    Tired of it all!!!
    Sue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Kiefer View Post
    I'm neither an economist nor am I a politician.
    So I am asking the experts here.
    How long do you think it would take to fix this deficit?
    One 4yr. term by one President should be enough to fix the economy???
    Seems the biggest problem is the politicians who all seem to have to be right and can't agree on squat.
    Mean while the middle class continues to wait patiently for them to decide on something and again get stung in the shorts .
    Tired of it all!!!
    Sue

    I think you come from the perfect state to answer your questions. The 2010 elections moved your state into the R column for the first time in quite a while. They voted that way because they saw how Obama and his minions were destroying a nation that most Wisconsinites felt had to be stopped. They saw their state being saddled with debt their children and heirs couldn't recover from, and decided there had to be a change if there was to be any hope...kinda like what they mistakenly thought they were getting in the '08 election.

    Then a funny thing happened...it was THEIR ox that was going to be gored in order for these changes to take effect. Now they got PO'd at those they elected to help keep the ship from sinking, and are full of vitriol towards those that were elected to do a job everyone knew needed to be done.

    What is amusing about all this wishy-washy voter vacillation is that none of these sheeple seem to realize THEY are the ones that caused the problems, but don't seem to have the onions to resolve it. It's easy to talk the game of "yeh we all have to take some hits to get outa this mess", but when it comes down to it, most of these folks have been on the government teat so long they don't know how to be weaned off of it.

    Doesn't matter if it's big government or big unionization...they are all promoters of "just keep those taxes/dues rolling in, and we'll take care of you all"...much like the Jesse Jackson policy for the blacks. "Keep voting for me, and we'll take care of you. No need to be responsible or take care of yourself, just pay for my services, and I'll get you everything you want."

    You can see the fruits of that form of socialism in almost every ghetto and on practically every Indian reservation in the country, yet the people don't seem to understand that they are selling their liberty and freedom to these corrupt self-proclaimed leaders.

    Rather than 'being tired of it all', Sue, it's time to get involved. Like most of us Tea Partiers, we got tired of turning the reins over to those that couldn't or wouldn't see we were on the brink of destruction. Time to clean house. Get representatives in those law-making positions that will be making those decisions based on what the people are asking them to do...and will at least listen to the voters for a 'change'.

    Or, you can be complacent and the liberal/socialist government that was running Wisconsin into debt will return and run it into ruin. There's no more free lunches. Time to pay the piper..and whatever fancy cliche you can think of. But the fact is, MOST of the voters in 2010 saw their state in financial straits, and voted to get that corrected. When they found out HOW it got into that state of affairs, and how their newly elected representatives intended to reverse the trend, they had a tantrum...much like a little kid that was promised a toy, but found out the folks couldn't afford it, so he went on a rampage, throwing and breaking things to "get even".

    These are turbulent times, Sue...not necessarily for the feint of heart. The 2012 election will be a true crossroads for this nation, and actually the world. The USA is such a force on this planet that what we do has incredible ramifications world-wide. We need to get our house in order and back to what the founders set us on course to do. We need to again learn to be a rugged individual, responsible for ourselves and family,...and to once again place far more importance on freedom and liberty, and get rid of all this political correctness that's causing our demise.

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    October 13, 2008
    The Bush administration plans to spend as much as $250 billion of the $700 billion bailout buying stock in private banks, greatly expanding protections for the U.S. financial system out of deep concern for the faltering economy, industry and government officials said Monday night. President Bush planned to announce the details Tuesday morning.
    Agreement on the plan came after a remarkable Treasury Department meeting between top government economic officials and executives of the nation's largest banks to revamp the most costly financial rescue in the nation's history.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=95679876

    Bush was spending money like there was no tomorrow until the time he left office.

    Obama has continued to spend money and sooner or later that needs to stop. But nickle and dimeing at partisin projects won't get it done. There is alot of waste and fraud in medicare and medicaid that we need to go after and stop. that would be one place to start. Another is looking at ear marks and weeding out the ones that are not absoutely necessary. I believe roads, highways and bridges should be of importance not paying farmers not to grow crops. There are other pork barrel projects that should be given the boot.

    #10. Is a tie - $300,000 for the Iowa Orchestra & $106,000 for the Utah Symphony
    #9. $1,500,000 for New England Multi-Species Surveys and Development in New Bedford, MA
    #8. $300,000 for Groundfish research in Augusta, ME
    #7 $500,000 for highly migratory shark fishery research program in San Jose, CA
    #6. $2,500,000 for the Imiloa Astronomy Center in Honolulu, HI
    #5. $425,000 to restore the Booneville Hardware Building in Booneville, MS - population 8,360!!
    #4. $1 million to re-introduce upper floor housing in Des Moines, IA - what about the lower floor housing?
    #3. $3 million for Chesapeake Bay Oyster restoration in Maryland.
    #2. $500,000 for Blue Fin Tuna tagging and research in California
    #1. $10,000,000 to the John P. Murtha Foundation

    And I will bet there are thousands more that could be eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    I think you come from the perfect state to answer your questions. The 2010 elections moved your state into the R column for the first time in quite a while. They voted that way because they saw how Obama and his minions were destroying a nation that most Wisconsinites felt had to be stopped. They saw their state being saddled with debt their children and heirs couldn't recover from, and decided there had to be a change if there was to be any hope...kinda like what they mistakenly thought they were getting in the '08 election.

    Then a funny thing happened...it was THEIR ox that was going to be gored in order for these changes to take effect. Now they got PO'd at those they elected to help keep the ship from sinking, and are full of vitriol towards those that were elected to do a job everyone knew needed to be done.

    What is amusing about all this wishy-washy voter vacillation is that none of these sheeple seem to realize THEY are the ones that caused the problems, but don't seem to have the onions to resolve it. It's easy to talk the game of "yeh we all have to take some hits to get outa this mess", but when it comes down to it, most of these folks have been on the government teat so long they don't know how to be weaned off of it.

    Doesn't matter if it's big government or big unionization...they are all promoters of "just keep those taxes/dues rolling in, and we'll take care of you all"...much like the Jesse Jackson policy for the blacks. "Keep voting for me, and we'll take care of you. No need to be responsible or take care of yourself, just pay for my services, and I'll get you everything you want."

    You can see the fruits of that form of socialism in almost every ghetto and on practically every Indian reservation in the country, yet the people don't seem to understand that they are selling their liberty and freedom to these corrupt self-proclaimed leaders.

    Rather than 'being tired of it all', Sue, it's time to get involved. Like most of us Tea Partiers, we got tired of turning the reins over to those that couldn't or wouldn't see we were on the brink of destruction. Time to clean house. Get representatives in those law-making positions that will be making those decisions based on what the people are asking them to do...and will at least listen to the voters for a 'change'.

    Or, you can be complacent and the liberal/socialist government that was running Wisconsin into debt will return and run it into ruin. There's no more free lunches. Time to pay the piper..and whatever fancy cliche you can think of. But the fact is, MOST of the voters in 2010 saw their state in financial straits, and voted to get that corrected. When they found out HOW it got into that state of affairs, and how their newly elected representatives intended to reverse the trend, they had a tantrum...much like a little kid that was promised a toy, but found out the folks couldn't afford it, so he went on a rampage, throwing and breaking things to "get even".

    These are turbulent times, Sue...not necessarily for the feint of heart. The 2012 election will be a true crossroads for this nation, and actually the world. The USA is such a force on this planet that what we do has incredible ramifications world-wide. We need to get our house in order and back to what the founders set us on course to do. We need to again learn to be a rugged individual, responsible for ourselves and family,...and to once again place far more importance on freedom and liberty, and get rid of all this political correctness that's causing our demise.

    UB
    Yes UB, we all know that the liberals took us from a balanced budget to trillions in debt. If only McCain/Palin had gotten elected we would not be in the shape we find ourselves in now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    Yes UB, we all know that the liberals took us from a balanced budget to trillions in debt. If only McCain/Palin had gotten elected we would not be in the shape we find ourselves in now.
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    MY least favorite sentence(from my town) is what I have taped to a coffeecan in my truck that I put a coin in whenever I hear this: " We've always done it this way in the past."
    Really??
    My own personal favorite sentence is a quote from Dr. Phil.
    "How's that work'n for ya?"
    Nobody likes to hear that
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    Personally, I don't much care who got us here, I am far more concerned with who will get us out of here!!!


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