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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    I'm not wanting to run them off, or take thier first born child....just that they pay at least what you and I do. No more, no less. Is that too much to ask?

    Oh, and hate to burst your "made in America" bubble, buy John Kerry's yacht was built in New Zealand. Very few mega-yachts are built in America anymore. Norway, England, Japan, NZ have staked their claim.
    That's what I'm trying to say too.
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    Palmer Johnson, Sturgeon Bay WI-USA

    Seem pretty nice.
    I think we are still in the union.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Palmer Johnson, Sturgeon Bay WI-USA

    Seem pretty nice.
    I think we are still in the union.


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    I would not want to fuel one of those.

    My dad has a little 42 footer and right now it cost over $750 to fill her up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I would not want to fuel one of those.

    My dad has a little 42 footer and right now it cost over $750 to fill her up.
    I have a Sawyer canoe and can't afford to fuel it!!

    (duck hunting, fishing)


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Palmer Johnson, Sturgeon Bay WI-USA

    Seem pretty nice.
    I think we are still in the union.


    RK
    Construction continues in the Palmer Johnsonís
    U.K. facility, opened in Hampshire in
    2008
    , on the flagship of Palmer Johnsonís
    sport yacht series, designed by the Italian firm
    of Nuvolari & Lenard. The construction of the
    first 170í Sport Yacht began in September of
    2008, and delivery is expected a few months
    from now, in the spring of 2010. Before
    construction began, the 170 was built digitally
    in a three-dimensional model. Modular
    construction ensures that all sections of the
    yacht progress concurrently, ensuring a quicker
    delivery time. PJís modern facilities in the U.K.
    include a 47,000 sq.-foot fabrication facility,
    an advanced metal-cutting bay, sophisticated
    material handling equipment and a floating dry
    dock for controlled vessel launches.



    Oops matey....the English blokes are building this one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Construction continues in the Palmer Johnsonís
    U.K. facility, opened in Hampshire in
    2008
    , on the flagship of Palmer Johnsonís
    sport yacht series, designed by the Italian firm
    of Nuvolari & Lenard. The construction of the
    first 170í Sport Yacht began in September of
    2008, and delivery is expected a few months
    from now, in the spring of 2010. Before
    construction began, the 170 was built digitally
    in a three-dimensional model. Modular
    construction ensures that all sections of the
    yacht progress concurrently, ensuring a quicker
    delivery time. PJís modern facilities in the U.K.
    include a 47,000 sq.-foot fabrication facility,
    an advanced metal-cutting bay, sophisticated
    material handling equipment and a floating dry
    dock for controlled vessel launches.



    Oops matey....the English blokes are building this one!
    Hey, Matey, Palmer Johnson builds Yachts in Sturgeon Bay wether you like it or not.
    Palmer Johnson's world-renowned US shipyard is located in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin on the shore of lake Michigan.

    In 2007, the company added two new CNC routers, invested in the very latest welding technology and revamped the entire design process including the latest software and 3D modeling. Internal modifications and new construction bays accompanied improvements for building larger vessels.

    Following 2007's expansion, two additional hulls can be built - two 150 footers or a 120' and a 165'. The facility uses four five-ton cranes that can be operated simultaneously to lift up to 20 tons in a single lift.

    Other facilities include a fully dedicated paint facility 220' long by 58' wide with a 45'tall door opening and a 20,000sq.ft metal fabrication facility.

    Sturgeon Bay is capable of building yachts in excess of 200ft. Currently the yard focuses on the construction of the 120, 135 and 150ft Sport Yachts.


    Palmer Johnson
    P.O. Box 109
    Sturgeon Bay
    WI 54235
    Could you maybe just put me on ignore.
    I mean I know you are desperate for an argument, but you always seem to find one, couldn't you leave me out....PLEASE??

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    Heck, I live on a lake and don't own a boat any more. My 23' fishing boat was costing nearly $300 to fill up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Hey, Matey, Palmer Johnson builds Yachts in Sturgeon Bay wether you like it or not.

    Could you maybe just put me on ignore.
    I mean I know you are desperate for an argument, but you always seem to find one, couldn't you leave me out....PLEASE??

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    You know he's gonna have the last word... no matter what you are talking about.
    well, its always nice to have the truth as the last word, isn't it?

    I only pointed out that those yachts were being made in a brand new English shipyard, not American, no matter how much you want to believe what you see through your rose colored glasses.

    Oh, and the hard part.....its pasted from their very own website! OUCH!

    http://www.palmerjohnson.com/admin/d...gressPJ170.pdf

    John Conlee regards...

    Stan: not looking for an argument...just keeping the facts straight. I know darn well they still build boats in WI, but the big ones like the ones I linked, are being produced by non-American workers in non-American ports. Sorry if you don't like it, and it doesn't fit your argument, but we have to be honest with ourselves if we're ever going to solve our problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Some of us already realize that. For many years. Some of us realize also that when your broke, the first thing you do is stop spending. The BIGGEST expenditures as of late are: the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, the drug prescription plan, stimulus package.

    Also, taxes are near all-time historic lows for the richest among us. It ain't workin'!

    I'm tired of when asking everyone to pay their fair share, that is called class warfare, just as Buzz pointed out. I'm beginning to think many here are closet CEOs with billions in Swiss bank accounts??
    You want an answer without using the term "class warfare", then I will give you one. The top 1% wage earners(and that includes savings, investment, and entrepaneurship) pay more tax than the bottom 90%!!! The bottom 50% wage earners pay less that 3%, that's right LESS THAN 3% of the total tax burden. The rich(top 1%) pay far more of their share of the income tax burden. I suspect the many you talk of on this forum agree not because they are in this group but because they know to demonize and ridicule a minority, much less use the government to single them out and attempt to punish them for their successes only leads to them also being singled out and punished. Protecting and defending their freedoms is necessary if one is to expect others to protect and defend their own freedoms.

    I said that they pay far more than their fair share and I understand that you completely disagree. Now pleas answer this question( I suspcet you won't), "If the top 1% pays more tax than the bottom 90%, THEN HOW MUCH MORE SHOULD THEY PAY??? No BS about the tax rate which means nothing considering the 70,000 pages of exemptions, JUST SAY HOW MUCH MORE THEY SHOULD PAY AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL TAX BURDEN!!

    I am certainly not in the top 1% and probably not in the top 10% but I do care about everyone's freedoms, especially those in the minority.

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