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    The invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam was in the works well before Sept 11. The attack on the twin towers just provided an opportunity to launch the Iraq War, which is what the Bush White house wanted. Below is a link to a letter from The Project For The New American Century to President Clinton. The 1998 letter urges Clinton to attack Iraq. Several of the letter's signers were key players in the Bush Whitehouse.

    There was no legit connection between Saddam and 9/11, but 9/11 did provide cover to launch the ill conceived war.



    http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    The invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam was in the works well before Sept 11. The attack on the twin towers just provided an opportunity to launch the Iraq War, which is what the Bush White house wanted. Below is a link to a letter from The Project For The New American Century to President Clinton. The 1998 letter urges Clinton to attack Iraq. Several of the letter's signers were key players in the Bush Whitehouse.

    There was no legit connection between Saddam and 9/11, but 9/11 did provide cover to launch the ill conceived war.



    http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
    Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the Project for the New American Century. It was signed, though the list is not limited to these names.
    Richard Cheney
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Scooter Libby
    William Bennett
    Paul Wofowitz
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    The invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam was in the works well before Sept 11. The attack on the twin towers just provided an opportunity to launch the Iraq War, which is what the Bush White house wanted. Below is a link to a letter from The Project For The New American Century to President Clinton. The 1998 letter urges Clinton to attack Iraq. Several of the letter's signers were key players in the Bush Whitehouse.

    There was no legit connection between Saddam and 9/11, but 9/11 did provide cover to launch the ill conceived war.



    http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
    You don't believe his potential WMD's, as most (from both sides of the aisle) believed he had them, were sufficient reason? But I do believe it poorly planned & executed, correct war - wrong players in charge .

    I see little difference in what is being done in Libya compared to Iraq. & aren't we still in Bosnia?
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    NamePosition(s) heldElliott AbramsSpecial Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations (2001–2002), Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Near East and North African Affairs (2002–2005), Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy (2005–2009) (all within the National Security Council)Richard ArmitageDeputy Secretary of State (2001–2005)John R. BoltonUnder-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs (2001–2005), U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (2005–2006)Dick CheneyVice President (2001–2009)Eliot A. CohenMember of the Defense Policy Advisory Board (2007–2009)[60]Seth CropseyDirector of the International Broadcasting Bureau (12/2002-12/2004)Paula DobrianskyUnder-Secretary of State for Global Affairs (2001–2007)Francis FukuyamaMember of The President's Council on Bioethics (2001–2005)Zalmay KhalilzadU.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan (11/2003 - 6/2005), U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (6/2005 - 3/2007) U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (2007–2009)I. Lewis "Scooter" LibbyChief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States (2001–2005)Richard PerleChairman of the Board, Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee (2001–2003)Peter W. RodmanAssistant Secretary of Defense for International Security (2001–2007)Donald RumsfeldSecretary of Defense (2001–2006)Randy ScheunemannMember of the U.S. Committee on NATO, Project on Transitional Democracies, International Republican InstitutePaul WolfowitzDeputy Secretary of Defense (2001–2005)Dov S. ZakheimDepartment of Defense Comptroller (2001–2004)Robert B. ZoellickOffice of the United States Trade Representative (2001–2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005–2006), 11th President of the World Bank (2007–Present)

    Does anyone still not think that the Iraq war was being planned from the first day that GW Bush was "elected"?????????????? WMD or no WMD????????????

    The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.
    "From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

    http://articles.cnn.com/2004-01-10/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS
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    Did President Bush push for the facts or did he push for the facts that supported his views?
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    Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit".[10] After initially denying that such a meeting between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.[11][12]
    From- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke
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    Instead, he describes a process in which the White House helped frame intelligence results by repeatedly posing questions aimed at bolstering its arguments about Iraq.
    The Bush administration, Pillar wrote, "repeatedly called on the intelligence community to uncover more material that would contribute to the case for war," including information on the "supposed connection" between Hussein and al Qaeda, which analysts had discounted. "Feeding the administration's voracious appetite for material on the Saddam-al Qaeda link consumed an enormous amount of time and attention."
    The result of the requests, and public statements by the president, Vice President Cheney and others, led analysts and managers to conclude the United States was heading for war well before the March 2003 invasion, Pillar asserted.
    They thus knew, he wrote, that senior policymakers "would frown on or ignore analysis that called into question a decision to go to war and welcome analysis that supported such a decision. . . . [They] felt a strong wind consistently blowing in one direction. The desire to bend with such a wind is natural and strong, even if unconscious."
    Pillar wrote that the prewar intelligence asserted Hussein's "weapons capacities," but he said the "broad view" within the United States and overseas "was that Saddam was being kept 'in his box' " by U.N. sanctions, and that the best way to deal with him was through "an aggressive inspections program to supplement sanctions already in place."
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    3."Curveball"
    Despite CIA technicians and weapon experts finding major flaws and inconsistencies with the designs and systems he asserted the military was developing, this information made it to the American government and although there were wide doubts and questions about the claimed informant's reliability and background, assertions attributed to Curveball claiming that Iraq was creating biological agents in mobile weapons laboratories to elude inspectors appeared in more than 112 United States government reports between January 2000 and September 2001.[17] His assertions eventually made it into United States Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2003 address to the United Nations detailing Iraq's weapons programs.

    In response to public criticism, U.S. presidentBush initiated an investigative commission who released their report on March 31, 2005. Bush's investigative commission came to many conclusions including:
    • Curveball's German intelligence handlers saw him as "crazy ... out of control", his friends called him a "congenital liar", and a US physician working for the Defense Department who travelled to Germany to take blood samples seeking to discover if Anthrax spores were present was stunned to find the defector had shown up for medical tests with a "blistering hangover",[19] and he "might be an alcoholic".[20]
    • While there were many reports that Curveball was actually a relative (younger brother) of one of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) top aides,[7][21] the investigative commission stated that it was "unable to uncover any evidence that the INC or any other organization was directing Curveball."[22]
    • The Bush administration ignored evidence from the UN weapons inspectors that Curveball's claims were false. Curveball had identified a particular Iraqi facility as a docking station for mobile labs. Satellite photography had showed a wall made such access impossible, but it was theorised that this wall was temporary. "When United Nations Monitoring Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) inspectors visited the site on February 9, 2003, they found that the wall was a permanent structure and could find nothing to corroborate Curveball's statements."[23] Instead, the inspectors found the warehouse to be used for seed processing.[24]
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    in your view, is former President George W Bush personally responsible for the 3000 killed on 911?
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    Losthwy

    in your view, is former President George W Bush personally responsible for the 3000 killed on 911?
    No of course not, Bin Laden and AL Qaeda are responsible.
    Did he fail to recognize and address the concerns brought to him by members of the intelligence community leading up to 9/11, yes.
    President Bush had said he didn't want to swat at flies.
    The administration was focus on a broader "strategic" plan for the region, chiefly the invasion of Iraq. When the CIA brought them info on an imminent attack. Which they believed immediate attention was required they did not act.

    June 30, 2001, top-secret senior executive intelligence brief contained an article headlined "Bin Laden Threats Are Real."

    Aug. 6, 2001, document, known as the President's Daily Brief, reported that Osama bin Laden advocated airplane hijackings, that al Qaeda supporters were in the United States and that the group was planning attacks here.

    Tenet and Black told C. Rice the problem was serious...and the problem needed to be addressed immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Losthwy View Post
    No of course not, Bin Laden and AL Qaeda are responsible.
    Thank You....
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    Wow I bet roger made a mes of his keyboard on this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Wow I bet roger made a mes of his keyboard on this thread
    You must get your rocks off by personal attacks and induendos.

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