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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyg View Post
    No it's not.

    Independence Day is about celebrating the birth of the USA, free from the yoke of the British Empire. The United States Declaration of Independence is a statement adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war with Great Britain were now independent states, and thus no longer a part of the British Empire.

    Don't change the meaning to correlate with your social philosophy.
    Also had a little bit to do with taxation and representation. They had a tea party in Boston over it.

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    When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Smith View Post
    Also had a little bit to do with taxation and representation. They had a tea party in Boston over it.

    Actually the 4th of July has nothing to do with the Boston Tea Party, which happened sometime in December, I think. The 4th is a celebration of our freedom from English Rule and the establishment of our own country. Taxation and representation are some of the reasons we fought the Revolutionary War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Rogers View Post
    Actually the 4th of July has nothing to do with the Boston Tea Party, which happened sometime in December, I think. The 4th is a celebration of our freedom from English Rule and the establishment of our own country. Taxation and representation are some of the reasons we fought the Revolutionary War.

    Might be a good idea for folks interested to read over the 'timeline' eh?



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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I just wanted to clarify that, though significant, the "victim card" is only second in the deck.

    The #1 card of course is the "race" card.

    Both of course are followed closely by the "previous bad behavior" card, the "rationalization" card, the "he started is" card and the "name calling" card.

    These are used lavishly by the progressives whenever they lose an argument on the merits.
    (which is 100% of the time)

    Just tryin to help..........


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    Is this then to be considered an unqualified "second" of the cite?

    Are you somewhat in agreement with the OP, and have just expanded on the thought or is this a rebuttal ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by john fallon View Post
    Is this then to be considered an unqualified "second" of the cite?

    Are you somewhat in agreement with the OP, and have just expanded on the thought or is this a rebuttal ???

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    I pretty much agree with the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I pretty much agree with the OP.

    How about you?
    Just helping the folks so as they can score along at home.(sitting 8 rows back waiting to see Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow!)

    RK

    Me??
    Having such a small frame of reference here on the POTUS forum because of my infrequent participation, I need all the help I can get....
    ....but in the overall, I'm rather ambivalent about it .

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    Thanks for opening the forum.

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