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Thread: No Big Budget Deal? Blame Obama, not Boehner

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Little View Post
    Correction Bill.................The Public Employee Union and their looted retirement systems.
    United Auto Workers... got tons of taxpayer money and a huge share of government motors and you and I paid for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    United Auto Workers... got tons of taxpayer money and a huge share of government motors and you and I paid for it...
    Yep, we can pay them but Obama has said HE can not pay SS!!
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    Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3
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    President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

    "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

    The Obama administration and many economists have warned of economic catastrophe if the United States does not raise the amount it is legally allowed to borrow by August 2.

    Lawmakers from both parties want to use the threat of that deadline to work out a broader package on long-term deficit reduction, with Republicans looking to cut trillions of dollars in federal spending, while Democrats are pushing for a more "balanced approach," which would include both spending cuts and increased revenue through taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    United Auto Workers... got tons of taxpayer money and a huge share of government motors and you and I paid for it...
    Let's not leave out Wall St. That is where the real problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    United Auto Workers... got tons of taxpayer money and a huge share of government motors and you and I paid for it...
    Change the subject much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Change the subject much?
    Evidently you have not read the whole thread... For that matter find a thread that stays on the OP's topic
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    a quote from Allen West this morning

    If you want to rehabilitate a crack addict why give them more crack? If you want to reform fed govt, why raise taxes & give them more money?
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    Allen West is SO-O-O correct!

    As for not sending out the SS checks, that is an outright lie. The govt will still have revenue coming in. Not to mention the fact that if it weren't these same jerks who had raided the SS fund to begin with, they would not have such a bludgeon to use.
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    Seems to me like the way out of this is a multi-step process:

    1. Stop spending money you don't have. You have to cut programs to do that.
    2. Then if you have the support, raise taxes to spend more on programs.

    The problem we have now is there is and has been a disconnect between spending and revenue. The Liberals want to be able to offer more and more spending but know they can't get public support for the tax increases to cover the spending so they're happy to borrow to get the spending, knowing at some point the bill has to be paid. Well that's what is happening now - we face a choice to stop spending, or increase taxes to pay for it.

    It really irks me that almost all of the media will talk about how the Republicans are being intransigent with their demands that this be done without tax increases, but when they pass something, it's labeled as a waste of time by the democrats, and the President says he'll veto it anyway. Who is being intransigent? I think both sides have their positions, and that's fair, but you can't honestly say you're going to cut spending if you're not going to touch the entitlement programs. To say otherwise is just not honest. If you don't want to cut those programs, then don't say you want to reduce spending. Reid's plan is reportedly full of gimicks:

    1. Counting $1T for the decrease due to the winding down of the wars - that was already figured in.
    2. Counting $400B on savings on the interest on the debt - unless they have some novel way to do that, it was already figured in, or it's an accounting game and no real savings.
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    It's not like we don't have any possible solutions for making cuts in the spending. How about some of these?

    And this is only the TIP of the ICEBERG. -----

    These are all programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual savings.
    Save America 's Treasures Program. $25 million annual savings.
    International Fund for Ireland. $17 million annual savings.
    Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.
    National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings.
    National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings.
    Hope VI Program. $250 million annual savings.
    Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.
    Eliminate duplicative education programs. H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
    U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.
    Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.
    Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.
    John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.
    Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings.
    Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings.
    Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings
    Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.
    Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.
    Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings.
    Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million annual savings.
    Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings.
    Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings.
    New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings.
    Exchange Programs for Alaska , Natives Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts. $9 million annual savings
    Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings.
    Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings.
    Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings.
    Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings.
    Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15 billion annual savings.
    Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings.
    FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings.
    Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings.
    Economic Assistance to Egypt . $250 million annually.
    U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual savings.
    General Assistance to District of Columbia . $210 million annual savings.
    Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150 million annual savings.
    Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years.
    No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual savings.
    End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
    Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually.
    IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
    Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
    Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
    Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings.
    Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.
    Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.
    Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. $12.5 million annual savings
    Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings.
    USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings.
    Subsidy to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). $93 million annual savings.
    Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2 million annual savings.
    Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs. $900 million savings.
    Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings..
    HUD Ph.D. Program.
    Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
    TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years


    My question is, what THE HELL is all this doing in the budget in the first place?


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    Hey, you didn't even mention National Institutes of Health, which has given $90 million to China for research. China lends us $ and collects interest. We give China money & collect nothing. Cute. If they have enough cash to lend it to us, then they have enough cash to fund their own research.

    Some of the other NIH grants are equally as dumb.
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