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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I have subsequently learned to praise him all the time, he is my boy!!

    But during that process it was after mark & return.
    If he was quiet he got praise.

    Couple things;
    When I release him, you might maybe hear a yelp

    This process changed my whole approach, he gets praised all the time, at 6'4 and 225# I get odd looks yellin "GOOD DAWG!!!", but he makes me happy, why shouldn't he be happy!
    These animals live to please, let them know when they do!!

    RK
    Stan, are you correcting for this or letting it slide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mstormc View Post
    Stan, are you correcting for this or letting it slide?

    Howler monkey regards.
    No, not doing anything, it has not been an issue.
    It's not a bark or prolonged, just an excited yelp, and not every time.

    Good luck!!

    You can do it!


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    Thanks for this info Stan. Did you at any time before, during or even after experience any dancing or un steadyness at the line that went along with the vocals. I have both and we start this evening working on this, so a very timely post for me to read. Singles it is for now, but she doesn't get nearly as pumped up when we train alone, hard to simulate.
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    After working thru a noise issue and continuing to uphold the higher standard, I've found that if you can get to the point where you can take the dog to the line with only giving every command once, have him/her push and pull with you nicely, watch all the birds of a multiple hit the ground then without saying anything turn and walk off line having the dog respond and come with you without any resistance, the noise will be reduced considerably if any at all.

    Good work......the feeling of being on top of a noise issue is undescribable!

    Kory

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJaxon View Post
    Thanks for this info Stan. Did you at any time before, during or even after experience any dancing or un steadyness at the line that went along with the vocals. I have both and we start this evening working on this, so a very timely post for me to read. Singles it is for now, but she doesn't get nearly as pumped up when we train alone, hard to simulate.
    Yes, we first established that "SIT means SIT!!!"

    Then the noise issue can be addressed.

    You need the help of a group to fix it.
    The smells, the noises, the birds etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kory Poulsen View Post
    After working thru a noise issue and continuing to uphold the higher standard, I've found that if you can get to the point where you can take the dog to the line with only giving every command once, have him/her push and pull with you nicely, watch all the birds of a multiple hit the ground then without saying anything turn and walk off line having the dog respond and come with you without any resistance, the noise will be reduced considerably if any at all.

    Good work......the feeling of being on top of a noise issue is undescribable!

    Kory
    You are correct.
    When we ran an HRC Seasoned and he was silent, I was more excited about that than getting the pass, and I am being serious!!

    RK
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Yes, we first established that "SIT means SIT!!!"

    Then the noise issue can be addressed.

    You need the help of a group to fix it.
    The smells, the noises, the birds etc.


    RK
    Thanks again, I had that (sit) at the top of the list to address the dancing. She knows not to move when it's just her and I. When she sits well she starts the whining when level of excitement climbs. Tough to get dogs and people together by late evening when its less hot, doesn't get cooler these days. Weekends are for early morning training now. Thanks for sharing with us.
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    Encouraging post. I have come to many of your conclusions in my own noise abatement program: no collar, no yelling, obedience, etc. He is getting better, but we have a ways to go.
    I am printing your post and sticking it in my training journal for continual reference. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    You need the help of a group to fix it.
    The smells, the noises, the birds etc.
    RK
    We have a noisy dog, and we are trying what you have written however our problem is we can't recreate situations. We went to a training day on Saturday and it was like we had not done a darn thing. This is my husbands dog, he works so does not have the opportunity to get with a training group. Usually it is just the two of us. She was improving... then when the ante got upped she fell apart. I plan to have him read this thread, and we have a call in to the trainer.

    I will be taking my dog to some hunt tests to run (started and JH) most likely hubby's dog will be attending. He will have to stay at a distance, but he can work on her still hearing the game being played. She won't be playing. The trainer we went to explained to us that it is probably her breeding as well. Of course when she was loud and vocal as a small puppy we did not know enough to discourage it at the time. She is 21 months so we are trying to work on it. Just super hard in our situation. I have been out of work and tried to get into a couple training groups thinking I could take both dogs, alas they did not want to let in another person. I understand but I want to take advantage to the time I have.

    Thanks for posting RK, it gives people like us hope. Just will take us a lot longer I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxs Mom View Post
    We have a noisy dog, and we are trying what you have written however our problem is we can't recreate situations. We went to a training day on Saturday and it was like we had not done a darn thing. This is my husbands dog, he works so does not have the opportunity to get with a training group. Usually it is just the two of us. She was improving... then when the ante got upped she fell apart. I plan to have him read this thread, and we have a call in to the trainer.

    I will be taking my dog to some hunt tests to run (started and JH) most likely hubby's dog will be attending. He will have to stay at a distance, but he can work on her still hearing the game being played. She won't be playing. The trainer we went to explained to us that it is probably her breeding as well. Of course when she was loud and vocal as a small puppy we did not know enough to discourage it at the time. She is 21 months so we are trying to work on it. Just super hard in our situation. I have been out of work and tried to get into a couple training groups thinking I could take both dogs, alas they did not want to let in another person. I understand but I want to take advantage to the time I have.

    Thanks for posting RK, it gives people like us hope. Just will take us a lot longer I guess.
    Part of the reason I posted this is because I know at times it seems hopeless.
    It's not!!

    You just have to keep doing the things I listed.

    Key Point: Early in this process, if you get a quiet run, praise the pup and put him up so you are ending on a success!!!


    If he is quiet and you try again and he is noisy you just lost your gain.

    Does that make sense?
    Always try to end on a positive!!

    Remember that you can't build a positive out of negatives.

    Good luck to you!
    You CAN do it!!!!!!!


    stan b
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