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    Hello,


    I have had this debate for a while regarding what is considered at Started dog and what is considered a Finished dog.

    Secondly is there and should there be a difference between a started gundog vs a Started Hunt Test / Trial dog

    I'm sure with all the knowledge on this forum there must be some very sound opinions

    Thanks in advance
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    I am not an expert, but to me a Started Dog has basic obedience and the act of retrieving down pat. Heel, Sit, Here, Down, Leave it, Give, etc. and FF, and Marking...for a field dog vs. and test dog I think the only difference to me is that they are retrieving out past 150 yds...

    For Finished Dogs all of this plus they are doing blinds....Lining, Whistle Stop, Hunting the area of fall, Using nose, ....for a test dog out to 150yds for Field dog I think they go out 200+Yds....

    That's my $0.02 worth

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    For hunters, I think that for a lot of people it is a dog with basic obedience, force fetched, collar conditioned, and doing basic retrieves.

    For field trailers, I think you might be looking at a dog through basics and into transition, probably doing basic blinds. A finished dog would be capable of doing all age work.

    I have no idea what hunt testers would consider a started dog.
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    My started gundog program consists of OB,CC,FF,FTP, and started on single T. That consists of left and right overs as well as left and right backs. Picking up short doubles, depending on the dog and marking ability. That's both land and water. I like for them to handle up too 65-70 yds.

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    There was a lengthy post on the definition of a started gunshot. The short answer is there isn't a standard definition. The definition hunt test dogs is set out in the akc and hrc rule books. They are available on line.
    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...dog+definition
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    There was a lengthy post on the definition of a started gunshot.
    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...dog+definition
    By definition wont a started "gunshot" , almost instantly, always end up being a finished gunshot?
    Not so with gundogs!!

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    Between a started "gunshot" and a finished "gunshot" is the time to duck. Harry
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    To me a "Started Dog" should be through Basics. A "Finished Dog" should be doing advanced work. By "Basics" I mean complete with force (FF, Pile, TT, Swim-by). "Advanced" doing multiple marking concepts, technical blind retrieves and blinds incorporated with marks.

    There's a big area between started and finished usually shown by an additional number on the price tag. Harry
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    A starter gun dog and a finished gun dog are two different things and defined strictly by those who are judging the performance.

    For me a started gun dog is an AKC SH level dog. Needs to be steady and run OK blinds to say 125 or 150. My dogs don't hit the field until able to do this. A finished dog is something entirely different... scans flying birds, knows when to relax and when to be alert, handles to 200 + cleanly in tune with the handler 100%. You're talking 18 mos vs. 4 years old in my personal opinion. Also 150 birds in a hunting situation, or roughly that amount, again IMO.

    I've paid real money (and will again) to get my SH dog those birds in an area where we may kill 25-50 birds per year hunting.
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    Funny. My kindle fire tablet changes words and seems to have mind of its own. Gundog not gunshot
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