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    Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    By JIM MOTAVALLI


    Costco, the membership warehouse-club chain, was an early leader in offering electric-vehicle charging to its customers, setting an example followed by other retailers, including Best Buy and Walgreen. By 2006, Costco had installed 90 chargers at 64 stores, mostly in California but also some in Arizona, New York and Georgia. Even after General Motors crushed its EV1 battery cars, the Costco chargers stayed in place.

    Yet just as plug-in cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Volt enter the market, Costco is reversing course and pulling its chargers out of the ground, explaining that customers do not use them.

    Courtesy of Plug In AmericaPhotographed last week, a charger installed at a Costco location in Rohnert Park, Calif. “Please be advised that this electric charger will be removed on August 15th, 2011. Sorry for the inconvenience,” the note says.

    “We were early supporters of electric cars, going back as far as 15 years. But nobody ever uses them,” said Dennis Hoover, the general manager for Costco in northern California, in a telephone interview. “At our Folsom store, the manager said he hadn’t seen anybody using the E.V. charging in a full year. At our store in Vacaville, where we had six chargers, one person plugged in once a week.”

    Mr. Hoover said that E.V. charging was “very inefficient and not productive” for the retailer. “The bottom line is that there are a lot of other ways to be green,” he said. “We have five million members in the region, and just a handful of people are using these devices.”

    Plug In America, the California-based E.V. advocacy group, contends that the stations do get used, and is conducting a rigorous grassroots campaign to save them. The group asserts that some of the units have been delivering free electricity to loyal E.V. owners for a decade or more, and that people regularly plug in.


    The group says that the Costco chargers are invaluable for owners of Toyota’s older RAV4 electrics, many of which are still on the road in California. But the actor Ed Begley Jr., a longtime environmentalist and RAV4 owner, said in an e-mail that some of the Costco chargers around Los Angeles stopped working years ago.

    The Costco outlets are also outdated by current standards, but a state-supported program stands ready to upgrade them at no cost to Costco.

    That was one impetus for a $2.3 million program supported by the California Energy Commission and overseen by the charging companies Clipper Creek and EV Connect, which would have 600 to 650 so-called legacy E.V. chargers upgraded. According to Will Barrett, a Clipper Creek program manager, 30 new chargers have been installed since the program began operations in July. Mr. Barrett said that Costco decided not to participate in the state program last March.

    Jim BradyFinanced by a $2.3 million California Energy Commission program, an electrician working for Phil Haupt Electric in Roseville, Calif., replaces a so-called legacy charger with a new unit.

    Mr. Hoover said the company was aware of the state-funded upgrade program, but did not see a compelling reason to take advantage of it.

    “Why should we have anybody spend money on a program that nobody’s thought through?” he said.

    “We know for a fact that many of the Costco chargers are used on a regular basis,” said Tom Saxton, a computer programmer from Washington State, who drives a RAV4 E.V. and serves on the board of Plug In America. “And because thousands of new electric vehicles are hitting the road, the chargers are going to be even more in demand. And people are charging while they shop.”

    Plug In America said that more than 900 people had sent e-mails to James D. Sinegal, the co-founder and chief executive of Costco, urging him to reconsider. The group said it had worked to persuade at least one California store, located in Rohnert Park in Sonoma County, to keep its chargers. But Mr. Hoover said that the situation there had been “reviewed.” The bottom line: “We will be taking them out there, too,” he said.
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    Ahhh...

    That bizarre concept "market driven" wins out over left wing radical extremist utopian policy.
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    Ahhh, I wont be able to plug my diesel in and get front row parking anymore! Damn
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    It appears Cosco was ahead of their time. I’m surprised they installed them 15 years ago. There couldn’t have been many electric vehicles on the road. I’m sure their charging stations were obsolete, and wouldn’t work with new electric vehicle technology very well. On the other side, Cracker Barrel is installing charging stations at their restaurants. They are starting to roll them out at 24 locations in TN. I guess time will tell if that is successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    It appears Cosco was ahead of their time. I’m surprised they installed them 15 years ago. There couldn’t have been many electric vehicles on the road. I’m sure their charging stations were obsolete, and wouldn’t work with new electric vehicle technology very well. On the other side, Cracker Barrel is installing charging stations at their restaurants. They are starting to roll them out at 24 locations in TN. I guess time will tell if that is successful.
    You think they will charge them enough to make it to the next Cracker Barrel????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    You think they will charge them enough to make it to the next Cracker Barrel????????

    don't be ragging on Cracker Barrel , that is a mainstay of my diet when I am on the road...I have all the locations between home and Idaho bookmarked and also many in the Texas area...if nothing else I can recharge my laptop while I eat the chicken fried steak and cobbler ala mode
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    don't be ragging on Cracker Barrel , that is a mainstay of my diet when I am on the road...I have all the locations between home and Idaho bookmarked and also many in the Texas area...if nothing else I can recharge my laptop while I eat the chicken fried steak and cobbler ala mode
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    don't be ragging on Cracker Barrel , that is a mainstay of my diet when I am on the road...I have all the locations between home and Idaho bookmarked and also many in the Texas area...if nothing else I can recharge my laptop while I eat the chicken fried steak and cobbler ala mode
    Make sure the next Cracker Barrel is within 40 miles so you can make it to the next one in a $7,000.00 subsity by the taxpayers.

    kActually I wasn't making fun of Cracker Barrel. It was started here in Middle Tenn. Been to one many times but haven't ever seen anything about charging electric cars but always see plenty of advertising of their store goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    Ahhh...

    That bizarre concept "market driven" wins out over left wing radical extremist utopian policy.
    Someone should tell the folks at Remy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    You think they will charge them enough to make it to the next Cracker Barrel????????
    LOL Cracker Barrel says you get about an 80% charge. I bet that's just about enough to get you to the next Cracker Barrel.

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