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    this guy is a real jackhole...unbelieveable that a rag like the NYT allows this kind of crap to soil their paper...he even disabled the comment section on his blog....and you wonder where/why the conspiracy tin foil crowd gets their ideas and inspiration, its from filth like this
    The Years of Shame

    Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?

    Actually, I donít think itís me, and itís not really that odd.

    What happened after 9/11 ó and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not ó was deeply shameful. The atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.

    A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits ó people who should have understood very well what was happening ó took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?

    The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    this guy is a real jackhole...unbelieveable that a rag like the NYT allows this kind of crap to soil their paper...he even disabled the comment section on his blog....and you wonder where/why the conspiracy tin foil crowd gets their ideas and inspiration, its from filth like this
    What would you expect from this liberal doofus who tailers his economic positions to cultivate a socialist dictatorial state? Anything to justify attacks on a free democracy.

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    That wasn't his 9-11 op-ed. It's a 9-11 post to his blog.

    I think that anyone who denies that a bunch of sick bass terds used the event to drive wedges rather than unify the country is living in a state of denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    That wasn't his 9-11 op-ed. It's a 9-11 post to his blog.

    I think that anyone who denies that a bunch of sick bass terds used the event to drive wedges rather than unify the country is living in a state of denial.
    pure semantics Buzz..op ed vs blog.

    does that mean you agree with his opinion, including calling Kerik and Guiliani fake heroes...we'll leave GWB out of the mix because I think you have made yourself perfectly clear on him....

    still trying to figure out the wedges you speak of....I have never seen a country come together after an atrocity like WE ALL DID after 9/11 (I wasnt around after 12/7/41) so who exactly did the unification and who did the wedge driving....

    if you are talking about the wedge between Christians and Muslims, then you bet you rear end there is a wedge.....been there since the crusades...will I ever accept them,probably not, tolerate maybe....just the same way I see agnostics and atheists...they can worship or not, makes no difference to me, but dont ask me to welcome a mosque to my neighborhood
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    This about sums it up:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...BMNK_blog.html


    As for Krugman, more today:

    More About the 9/11 Anniversary


    It looks as if I should say a bit more about yesterdayís anniversary. So:

    The fact is that the two years or so after 9/11 were a terrible time in America Ė a time of political exploitation and intimidation, culminating in the deliberate misleading of the nation into the invasion of Iraq. Itís probably worth pointing out that Iím not saying anything now that I wasnít saying in real time back then, when Bush had a sky-high approval rating and any criticism was denounced as treason. And thereís nothing Iíve done in my life of which Iím more proud.

    It was a time when tough talk was confused with real heroism, when people who made speeches, then feathered their own political or financial nests, were exalted along with Ė and sometimes above Ė those who put their lives on the line, both on the evil day and after.

    So it was a shameful episode in our nationís history Ė and itís one that I canít help thinking about whenever we talk about 9/11 itself.

    Now, I should have said that the American people behaved remarkably well in the weeks and months after 9/11: There was very little panic, and much more tolerance than one might have feared. Muslims werenít lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud.

    But the memory of how the atrocity was abused is and remains a painful one. And itís a story that I, at least, can neither forget nor forgive.
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    Now, I should have said that the American people behaved remarkably well in the weeks and months after 9/11: There was very little panic, and much more tolerance than one might have feared. Muslims weren’t lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud.
    How he could say that this kind of tolerance as exhibited by most Americans is less worthy of remembrance than whatever "abuse" of atrocity he perceives, is incredible to me.

    Indeed, had the situation been reversed, it is easy to imagine that mad-hatter Muslim clerics would have whipped a Muslim population into doing the very things that Americans did NOT do.

    It is imaginable that the hasty move into Iraq was fueled with fear that Saddam had actually nurtured. Saddam's position undoubtedly was to strike fear in his neighbors & anyone who might think of attacking him. I think Saddam would have taken a different route if he had anticipated that the US would actually act as we did. A lot of bloodshed would have been avoided, if the US had not been so "diplomatic", and told him straight out to shape up or his butt would get kicked. He might actually have paid attention. As it was, he figured that he could carry on his little game ad infinitum, but he failed to calculate the fear that resulted from 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    As it was, he figured that he could carry on his little game ad infinitum, but he failed to calculate the fear that resulted from 9/11.
    So, you're saying that the terrorists won...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    So, you're saying that the terrorists won...
    If the terrorists wanted Saddam taken out, then you could say that they won on that point.

    Saddam had tried to nurture fear of his capabilities himself. I believe, in hindsight, he wanted his ostensible enemies to believe he had WMDs, even though he didn't. Saddam's neighbors had reason not to like him very much; and to fear him as well. He obviously knew that; and knew that if they found out he was a paper tiger, he was toast. So he continued his bravado to keep his neighbors at bay.

    If the terrorists believed that Americans would turn into a lynch mob, then they did not win on that point.

    I do NOT think that the events of 9/11 were a "win" for anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    That wasn't his 9-11 op-ed. It's a 9-11 post to his blog.

    I think that anyone who denies that a bunch of sick bass terds used the event to drive wedges rather than unify the country is living in a state of denial.

    While others believe that the wedge driving is being done by the current administration:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...798363586.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021602142.html
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    To Paul Krugman:

    http://youtu.be/8hGvQtumNAY?t=1m31s

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