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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I live next door to the guy who is in charge of that pipeline project. Interestingly they plan to use a pot load of 4000 HP pump motors along the pipeline that I helped design while I was at Siemens.

    He seems to think that if re-elected, Obama will get the thing approved. He just doesn't want to alienate some of his base before the election. We both have spent time in the energy industry. We were talking about it and we both believe that the vast majority of the public, on both sides of the issue, are very uninformed when it comes to energy issues. And surprise, we both feel that we need to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the problem. In other words, we have to invest in fossil and in alternatives and renewables. It's the only sane approach.

    This is one area where I part ways very dramatically with some on the left.
    Hm. Wasn't it the president that has been harping that politics should be put aside and DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY??? Hippocrit??

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...tical-problem/

    Administration officials, though, deny politics was in any way at play.

    "This is not a political decision. We have been ... out there as listening to what the public has to say," said Kerri-Ann Jones, an environmental official in the State Department.

    Really?
    "The administration chose to support environmentalists over jobs -- job-killers win, American workers lose," Terry O'Sullivan, president of the Laborers' International Union of North America, said in a written statement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I live next door to the guy who is in charge of that pipeline project. Interestingly they plan to use a pot load of 4000 HP pump motors along the pipeline that I helped design while I was at Siemens.

    He seems to think that if re-elected, Obama will get the thing approved. He just doesn't want to alienate some of his base before the election. We both have spent time in the energy industry. We were talking about it and we both believe that the vast majority of the public, on both sides of the issue, are very uninformed when it comes to energy issues. And surprise, we both feel that we need to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the problem. In other words, we have to invest in fossil and in alternatives and renewables. It's the only sane approach.

    This is one area where I part ways very dramatically with some on the left.

    Just AMAZING!!! I'm becoming more convinced than ever, that if we keep you in Sodak long enough, you will stop turning blue.

    But since you've had a moment of clarity, please explain how BHO could pander to small crowd of environmental whackos, as compared to the plethora of unionistas that got aced out of all those jobs? Evidently he figures the thugs have no where to go, but he may get a backlash from the whackos?

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    And surprise, we both feel that we need to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the problem. In other words, we have to invest in fossil and in alternatives and renewables. It's the only sane approach.
    Thank you, Buzz. I've been saying that for a long time.

    Whatever fossil fuels we have left are the "bridge" to keep the economy chugging until we can find suitable alternatives.

    Prioritization wouldn't hurt. Work on an alternative to the internal combustion auto engine, while we tackle home-used energy. At least the latter doesn't have to be "portable" like energy for a car.

    However, not a good thing for govt to give loans & grants to do this, i.e. pick the winners and losers. I think history shows that those who have skin in the game are the ones most highly motivated to find innovations that are commercially viable.
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    Is it possible that Obama made this decision partly to appease his hard left base and partly to foil the Koch brothers?? I would imagine they had some skin in the XL Pipeline game. They may be the only Conservative playmakers in the same league as George Soros.

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    http://www.fuelingus.org/57-house-me...rt-keystone-xl
    Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:00
    The President
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    Dear Mr. President:

    We are writing to express our deep frustration over news that a decision on the Keystone XL Project will be further delayed until after next year’s presidential election. The decision by Nebraska’s legislature to vote on this project without any delay shows the American people’s resolve to create jobs and ensure our energy security. We ask you to take action before the end of the year in line with the Department of State’s longstanding public timeline.

    As you know, the permit application for the Keystone XL Project was submitted over three years ago, in September of 2008. Since then, this controversial pipeline has undergone three stages of public environmental impact studies (draft, supplemental, and final) as well as detailed, public economic and national security reviews by myriad academics, consultants, and experts. The Keystone XL Project’s unusually protracted permit application process has allowed ample time and opportunity for public debates and investigations. Any further delay in this process will only be viewed as placing political gain over the U.S. economy and security.

    Satisfying America’s future energy needs will require a willingness to commit to a variety of resources and technologies. Natural disasters and volatile political climates in places like the Middle East and Venezuela mean the global oil supply will remain susceptible to disruption with potentially severe impacts on the global economy and our national security. Canadian oil, combined with domestic fossil fuels and alternative energy innovations, will go a long way toward determining our country’s energy security. Construction of the pipeline will create thousands of jobs and inject millions of dollars into local economies. While the Keystone XL Project cannot solve America’s energy crisis alone, it is a necessary step for the U.S. economy, U.S. national security and U.S energy needs.

    Mr. President, the American people should not have to watch this job creating project fail because of partisan concerns; our national security and economy are too important. The time to make a decision is now.

    Respectfully,

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    Can't find the source, but the gist now seems to be that the State Dept. will require another study of the re-routing of the pipeline; which study should take another 12 to 18 mos.

    Just when you think they couldn't be more insane, they prove they can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Robinson View Post
    OK...so now Darrel Hannah and (multi billionaire daughter) Julia Luis Dreyfus as well as a bunch of C List actors are shaping U.S. policy. Obama is siding with the anti XL Pipeline protesters and has delayed a decision till after the election. Now...that is really taking an informed stance....Prevaricator in Chief.
    Here we go again.....unintended consequences.

    If you have any interest at all in the secure future for a safe, constant and ethical oil source..take the time to watch this.

    ahttp://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1270448710001
    I don't understand the reference to Julia Luis Dreyfus as Darrel Hannah's daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    I don't understand the reference to Julia Luis Dreyfus as Darrel Hannah's daughter.
    Read it again.........

    William Louis-Dreyfus (born Gérard C. Louis-Dreyfus; 1932) is a French-born American businessman. With his family's net worth estimated at $2.9 billion by Forbes, he is one of the richest men in the world.[1] He is the chairman of Louis Dreyfus Energy Services and the great grandson of Léopold Louis-Dreyfus, founder of Louis Dreyfus Group.[2] He is the father of Emmy and Golden Globe winning actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

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    So, Congress passed a bill to keep the govt running for another two months (could anyone run a business this way?) ... and dropped in there a requirement that the POTUS make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days.

    First the WH said that he'd veto any such bill if tied into the pipeline ... however, in this case he only has to make a decision on the permit in 60 days. That decision could be a negative one. In fact, a WH source indicated that the decision would likely be to NOT issue the permit.

    The R's can keep putting the pressure on him to issue the permit, and he can keep deferring doing so. Might not get the permit issued before his own agenda stipulated, but it sure won't look great for re-election if he rejects doing so 3 or 4 times. OTOH, maybe he'll wait till just before the election so that the unions will get warm and fuzzy about him again before it's time to vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    So, Congress passed a bill to keep the govt running for another two months (could anyone run a business this way?) ... and dropped in there a requirement that the POTUS make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days.

    First the WH said that he'd veto any such bill if tied into the pipeline ... however, in this case he only has to make a decision on the permit in 60 days. That decision could be a negative one. In fact, a WH source indicated that the decision would likely be to NOT issue the permit.

    The R's can keep putting the pressure on him to issue the permit, and he can keep deferring doing so. Might not get the permit issued before his own agenda stipulated, but it sure won't look great for re-election if he rejects doing so 3 or 4 times. OTOH, maybe he'll wait till just before the election so that the unions will get warm and fuzzy about him again before it's time to vote?

    Just another joke from the linguine-spined Congress that keeps kicking the can down the road. Makes me sick! Get a backbone you bastards!

    Doesn't matter to him if this cuts down union jobs...where are they going??? Certainly not to the Republican candidate. Obama knows he has the unionistas in the bag, but he needs all the $$$ he can squeeze from those environmental whackos and hollywierd types.

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